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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 29 Jun 2017

      emptywheel Retweeted Thomas Rid

      Today, Twitter, we're going to argue abt whether exploits are weapons or not. Weaponized anthrax may be better analogy than missiles.https://twitter.com/RidT/status/880338437886365696 …

      emptywheel added,

      Thomas RidVerified account @RidT
      Replying to @RidT
      Plz stop saying "cyber weapon." Huntley is right—Sanger is wrong: https://twitter.com/shanehuntley/status/880333018455564289 … PS: I was also wrong, from new edition afterword pic.twitter.com/un3oAc0gzE
      5 replies 14 retweets 17 likes
    2. cyberwar‏ @cyberwar 29 Jun 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel

      Well, you can have biological weapons, what else are you going to call them, computer exploits developed by war fighters?

      3 replies 1 retweet 1 like
    3. Sean Lawson‏ @seanlawson 29 Jun 2017
      Replying to @cyberwar @emptywheel

      Agreed. I wrestle with this one. Too much militarized rhetoric in the cyber debate. But, clearly there’s an attempt to use “cyber” as weapon

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 29 Jun 2017
      Replying to @seanlawson @cyberwar

      Or even a success. I do think the language of proliferation is apt though. Maybe not all prior lessons, but concept.

      5:22 AM - 29 Jun 2017
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        2. cyberwar‏ @cyberwar 29 Jun 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @seanlawson

          I am not a fan of "label engineering." Terms have a life of their own. The IT sec community has a large proportion of label nerds.

          6 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. cyberwar‏ @cyberwar 29 Jun 2017
          Replying to @cyberwar @emptywheel @seanlawson

          No matter how hard they try to get people to use their term for exploiting vulnerabilities to advance military objectives, they will fail.

          3 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. Sean Lawson‏ @seanlawson 29 Jun 2017
          Replying to @cyberwar @emptywheel

          Also, if you really believed "label engineering" isn't important, you wouldn't be arguing against ditching the "weapon" metaphor. ;-)

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        5. cyberwar‏ @cyberwar 29 Jun 2017
          Replying to @seanlawson @emptywheel

          I am arguing that one should use the language that is already there, not try to form the language to your own mindset.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        6. cyberwar‏ @cyberwar 29 Jun 2017
          Replying to @cyberwar @seanlawson @emptywheel

          I went through all of this in 2008. Found that "cyber" was accepted use in policy and military circles. Adopted their terms.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        7. cyberwar‏ @cyberwar 29 Jun 2017
          Replying to @cyberwar @seanlawson @emptywheel

          Even consulted with a linguist on "cyber war" vs "cyberwar." Went with latter because he felt it would contract eventually.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        8. cyberwar‏ @cyberwar 29 Jun 2017
          Replying to @cyberwar @seanlawson @emptywheel

          We have the leading cyber wonk calling out the leading cyber journalist in public here. *That* is label engineering. And it will fail.

          6 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        9. Sean Lawson‏ @seanlawson 29 Jun 2017
          Replying to @cyberwar @emptywheel

          Missiles, bombs, nukes? No. Bio or chem? Maybe. If so, what might we learn by using those weapons as a lens?

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
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