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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 May 2017
      Replying to @okanogen2010 @microbear1 and

      Comey, Bob Litt, and PCLOB all say it happens so routinely (on USPs against whom there's no evidence of wrongdoing) they can't count.

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    2. okanogenDrinksBEER‏ @okanogen2010 6 May 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @microbear1 and

      I'm no where near as plugged in as you, proven by your esoteric alphabet soup. Please translate PCLOB and USPs into mere proletariat for me.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 May 2017
      Replying to @okanogen2010 @microbear1 and

      "please"

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    4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 May 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @okanogen2010 and

      PCLOB is the privacy and civil liberties oversight board. USPs are US persons--citizens plus permanent residents.

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    5. okanogenDrinksBEER‏ @okanogen2010 6 May 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @microbear1 and

      So your premise is any agent of any IC or the Just. Dept., or Exec br. can request and get any convo between an USPs and any foreign person?

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 May 2017
      Replying to @okanogen2010 @microbear1 and

      No. CIA, NSA, FBI, & (for even more focused content) National Counterterorirsm Center. Biggest concern is FBI, which does so all the time

      3 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    7. paul elledge‏ @microbear1 6 May 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @okanogen2010 and

      Not being purposefully thick, but the circa story repeatedly refers to unmasking done by Intel and certain WH people. Why do u keep saying..

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    8. paul elledge‏ @microbear1 6 May 2017
      Replying to @microbear1 @emptywheel and

      It isn't about unmasking? It there another story I missed in the thread or a reference to?

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    9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 May 2017
      Replying to @microbear1 @okanogen2010 and

      It's a shitty story. But what it is referring to is numbers in this report that refer to back door searches. https://www.dni.gov/files/icotr/ic_transparecy_report_cy2016_5_2_17.pdf …

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    10. okanogenDrinksBEER‏ @okanogen2010 6 May 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @microbear1 and

      "What he really meant was not what he said but something completely different". But it's your fault for not getting it.

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 May 2017
      Replying to @okanogen2010 @microbear1 and

      Well, 1) The numbers Circa uses are for back door searches, not masking 2) The court decision they refer to are for back door searches.

      11:06 AM - 6 May 2017
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        2. paul elledge‏ @microbear1 6 May 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @okanogen2010 and

          34k in the article? What is the 106k you use from? And the article doesn't state that from what I gather. But I'll reread.

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        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 May 2017
          Replying to @microbear1 @okanogen2010 and

          106K is the number of foreigners' data they're searching in (actually smaller at FBI & CIA). SO Gmail, Yahoo, FB content of 106 people.

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        4. paul elledge‏ @microbear1 6 May 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @okanogen2010 and

          But not 106k US citizens?

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        5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 May 2017
          Replying to @microbear1 @okanogen2010 and

          Nope. How many US citizens communications will be caught up in 106K full data streams?

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        6. paul elledge‏ @microbear1 6 May 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @okanogen2010 and

          Caught up, but again, how many are searched illegally without a warrant or unmasked? Usually only the gatherer has unmasked intel

          2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 May 2017
          Replying to @microbear1 @okanogen2010 and

          FISC has approved these searches; they're considered legal but Congress may change that. But 5,000 USPs were searched on w/o a warrant.

          4 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        8. okanogenDrinksBEER‏ @okanogen2010 6 May 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @microbear1 and

          So the 106k "data stream" number is NSA. Raw data. FBI and CIA get a subset. What 34k? CIA gets more than FBI? Same? This is over 4years?

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 May 2017
          Replying to @okanogen2010 @microbear1 and

          106K is just last year. Last year they pulled all the data streams for 94K targets. Before that 92K targets. Data kept for 5 years.

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        2. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 May 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @okanogen2010 and

          And Paul did not say "mask," not that I've seen. He said quote-wiretap, which I agree is inflammatory. But this is an issue being legislated

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. paul elledge‏ @microbear1 6 May 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @okanogen2010 and

          No, but masking was at the heart of the quote wiretapping issue he is clearly referring to.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 May 2017
          Replying to @microbear1 @okanogen2010 and

          No. It's not. Paul has been talking about back door searches marginally competently since 2013.

          3 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. okanogenDrinksBEER‏ @okanogen2010 6 May 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @microbear1 and

          So. 106k recorded convos since 2013? 106k entities? 106K "identities"?

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 May 2017
          Replying to @okanogen2010 @microbear1 and

          Assume the entire in-boxes for all PRISM producers they use, plus some other comms, for 106K identifiable targets.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        7. paul elledge‏ @microbear1 6 May 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @okanogen2010 and

          Of which you left out the term legally.

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        8. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 May 2017
          Replying to @microbear1 @okanogen2010 and

          Absolutely. Legally.

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        9. End of conversation
        1. okanogenDrinksBEER‏ @okanogen2010 6 May 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @microbear1 and

          Well obviously we are supposed to disregard the retweet, the tweet, the story and go to the court decisions and statistics. Obviously.

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