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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 5 May 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @NatashaBertrand @RandPaul

      Just as an example, we can be virtually certain they "surveilled' Mike Flynn in that way. Bc doing so is routine. Same w/Manafort.

      4 replies 1 retweet 6 likes
    2. Natasha Bertrand‏Verified account @NatashaBertrand 5 May 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @RandPaul

      that is nowhere near the allegation that Rand Paul is making, which is that the Obama admin ordered a "wiretapping" "ON" pres. candidates

      1 reply 0 retweets 9 likes
    3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 5 May 2017
      Replying to @NatashaBertrand @RandPaul

      Again, the Circa piece is about back door searches, and "wiretapping" is in quotes. The answer to Paul is prolly "no" but not an unfair Q.

      2 replies 1 retweet 5 likes
    4. Natasha Bertrand‏Verified account @NatashaBertrand 5 May 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @RandPaul

      oh, the "quotes" argument again. and here i was sure that defense had been mocked into oblivion.

      1 reply 0 retweets 11 likes
    5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 5 May 2017
      Replying to @NatashaBertrand @RandPaul

      Your practice is to not link through before you respond to a tweet?

      1 reply 1 retweet 2 likes
    6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 5 May 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @NatashaBertrand @RandPaul

      Yes, Paul is being inflammatory. But yes, you are totally incorrect abt unmasking and back door searches.

      1 reply 1 retweet 2 likes
    7. Radio Free Pennsylvania T‏ @Bwonk_Bwonk 5 May 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @NatashaBertrand @RandPaul

      Loose terminology leads to fuzzy concepts leads to *more* fake news. Want justice and accuracy both sides of aisle.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    8. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 5 May 2017
      Replying to @Bwonk_Bwonk @NatashaBertrand @RandPaul

      Great! Then journalists should not affirmatively misinform when they try to refute inflammatory language.

      1 reply 1 retweet 4 likes
    9. okanogenDrinksBEER‏ @okanogen2010 5 May 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @Bwonk_Bwonk and

      And so should you. Rand clearly was implying that warrantless "wiretapping" already targeted Trump, and "other" candidates.

      1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
    10. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 5 May 2017
      Replying to @okanogen2010 @Bwonk_Bwonk and

      Rand was linking through to piece about back door searches. I absolutely agree it is inflammatory to call that "wiretapping," even w/quotes

      3 replies 1 retweet 1 like
      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 5 May 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @okanogen2010 and

      But it is also the case that claim Gov needs warrant to do what Paul linked to (and thereby was talking about) is utterly false.

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        2. okanogenDrinksBEER‏ @okanogen2010 5 May 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @Bwonk_Bwonk and

          But Paul linked to an unmasking article and was talking about warrantless wiretapping on candidates. So he is the one making false claims.

          1 reply 1 retweet 1 like
        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 5 May 2017
          Replying to @okanogen2010 @Bwonk_Bwonk and

          No.

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. okanogenDrinksBEER‏ @okanogen2010 5 May 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @Bwonk_Bwonk and

          Look. I followed your link to your article as directed (you are welcome for the click), and it describes meta-data collection and use. 1/

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. okanogenDrinksBEER‏ @okanogen2010 5 May 2017
          Replying to @okanogen2010 @emptywheel and

          Metadata collection and use IS NOT WARRANTLESS WIRETAPPING. It is problematic, I grant, but not what Senator Tinfoil was talking about.

          3 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 5 May 2017
          Replying to @okanogen2010 @Bwonk_Bwonk and

          No you're completely wrong. It discusses warrantless access to content FBI does so much they can't count it.

          3 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 5 May 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @okanogen2010 and

          This, btw, is why it is so important for journos in this beat not to make false claims.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        8. okanogenDrinksBEER‏ @okanogen2010 5 May 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @Bwonk_Bwonk and

          Exactly what content are you accusing them of accessing without a warrant. Please be clear.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 5 May 2017
          Replying to @okanogen2010 @Bwonk_Bwonk and

          I'm not ACCUSING. I'm telling you what PCLOB, ODNI, and other official docs have STATED they collect.

          3 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
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        2. paul elledge‏ @microbear1 5 May 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @okanogen2010 and

          paul elledge Retweeted John Schindler

          A good thread by someone that would know, not fuzzy conspiracy stuff.https://twitter.com/20committee/status/860466491380170752 …

          paul elledge added,

          John SchindlerVerified account @20committee
          Time for a minor tweetstorm on the issue of SIGINT "unmasking" since #TeamDeza is pushing nonsense again to deflect from #KremlinGate /1
          3 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 5 May 2017
          Replying to @microbear1 @okanogen2010 and

          Yeah. Sorry. It's wrong. What Circa was referring to was back door searches. They involve no masking in the first place. Zero. None. Nada.

          3 replies 2 retweets 1 like
        4. okanogenDrinksBEER‏ @okanogen2010 6 May 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @microbear1 and

          So, what you clumsily call "backdoor searches", is just IC review of previously recorded convos btwn US citizens & targeted fgn agents? 1/

          4 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. okanogenDrinksBEER‏ @okanogen2010 6 May 2017
          Replying to @okanogen2010 @emptywheel and

          If that is what you mean, then it is just so obvious that no wonder it isn't clear. 4/4

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 May 2017
          Replying to @okanogen2010 @microbear1 and

          So no, this is not, as you keep insisting, just reviewing data as it comes in and then masking it. Masking is completely uninvolved.

          3 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        7. okanogenDrinksBEER‏ @okanogen2010 6 May 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @microbear1 and

          I just freaking said that.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        8. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 May 2017
          Replying to @okanogen2010 @microbear1 and

          Again, EVEN JIM COMEY said discussing masking, EVER, in this context is meaningless. It is.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        9. okanogenDrinksBEER‏ @okanogen2010 6 May 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @microbear1 and

          I understand now your entire purpose is fear-mongering.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
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