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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. Rolf Weber‏ @twrweb 4 May 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @electrospaces @pwnallthethings

      I think we essentially mean the same. Email forward is MCT; email just mentioning a selector is SCT -- problem is NSA cant tell apart .. /1

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    2. Rolf Weber‏ @twrweb 4 May 2017
      Replying to @twrweb @emptywheel and

      MCT and SCT at collection time. That's what I wrote, too.

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    3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 4 May 2017
      Replying to @twrweb @electrospaces @pwnallthethings

      Again, I agree forwarded emails are MCTs. But official docs say there are at least 2 kinds (maybe not all email).

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 4 May 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @twrweb and

      The MCTs that were deemed problematic were in no way forwarded emails incl domestic USP. They included comms w/no tie to selector.

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    5. Rolf Weber‏ @twrweb 4 May 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @electrospaces @pwnallthethings

      Not sure if I get your point. Comms within MCT may have no tie to selector, but MCT has, otherwise wouldn't be collected in first place. /1

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    6. Rolf Weber‏ @twrweb 4 May 2017
      Replying to @twrweb @emptywheel and

      I don't intend to push or annoy you, but a precise example of an MCT you mean would really help. /2

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    7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 4 May 2017
      Replying to @twrweb @electrospaces @pwnallthethings

      I don't know the technical answer. I know what has been claimed publicly. But remember this may not be emails.

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    8. ǝʌɐp‏ @empiricalerror 4 May 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @twrweb and

      https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/08/intelligence-agency-attorney-explains-how-multi-communication-transactions-allowed …pic.twitter.com/8Qal4xRpDP

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    9. Electrospaces‏ @electrospaces 4 May 2017
      Replying to @empiricalerror @emptywheel and

      That sounds though as only email metadata being sent from the server to a mail client, but @twrweb probably knows better how that works

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    10. ǝʌɐp‏ @empiricalerror 4 May 2017
      Replying to @electrospaces @emptywheel and

      The example is phrased semi-stupidly, but the gist makes some (technical) sense.

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 4 May 2017
      Replying to @empiricalerror @electrospaces and

      But then what is the other category?

      7:54 PM - 4 May 2017
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        2. ǝʌɐp‏ @empiricalerror 4 May 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @electrospaces and

          I have no way of knowing. I also don't understand why your question starts with "but."

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        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 4 May 2017
          Replying to @empiricalerror @electrospaces and

          No reason. Let's assume that's one of two categories (for no good reason, bc ODNI lies all the time). If so, what is the other one?

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        4. Rolf Weber‏ @twrweb 4 May 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @empiricalerror and

          I think the 4 categories are explained here: https://www.aclu.org/files/assets/fisc_opinion_10.3.2011.pdf …pic.twitter.com/wQMwH04Jal

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        2. Electrospaces‏ @electrospaces 4 May 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @empiricalerror and

          The option suggested by @twrweb - forwarded (and/or cc'ed) emails?

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        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 4 May 2017
          Replying to @electrospaces @empiricalerror and

          I don't think it fits Bates' description (which is why, while getting that was a purpose of about, it isn't it). Comms relevant to selector

          0 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
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