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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. Rolf Weber‏ @twrweb 4 May 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @electrospaces @pwnallthethings

      You have a precise example of another MCT? I read your post where you said "which is when emails get sent in batches", but I doubt, b/c /1

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    2. Rolf Weber‏ @twrweb 4 May 2017
      Replying to @twrweb @emptywheel and

      .. it's technically trivial to separate these emails. W'd IMO be clearly illegal if NSA did such collections. /2

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 4 May 2017
      Replying to @twrweb @electrospaces @pwnallthethings

      And this view on "illegality" totally misunderstands the FISC precedent.In 2011 Bates OKed COMPLETELY domestic SCTs.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 4 May 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @twrweb and

      Which is why I think decision may be more generally abt SCTs, not MCTs. https://www.emptywheel.net/2017/04/29/the-upstream-about-problem-almost-certainly-pertains-to-scts-not-mcts/ … Certainly has effect of ending that.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    5. Rolf Weber‏ @twrweb 4 May 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @electrospaces @pwnallthethings

      I think we essentially mean the same. Email forward is MCT; email just mentioning a selector is SCT -- problem is NSA cant tell apart .. /1

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    6. Rolf Weber‏ @twrweb 4 May 2017
      Replying to @twrweb @emptywheel and

      MCT and SCT at collection time. That's what I wrote, too.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 4 May 2017
      Replying to @twrweb @electrospaces @pwnallthethings

      Again, I agree forwarded emails are MCTs. But official docs say there are at least 2 kinds (maybe not all email).

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    8. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 4 May 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @twrweb and

      The MCTs that were deemed problematic were in no way forwarded emails incl domestic USP. They included comms w/no tie to selector.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    9. Rolf Weber‏ @twrweb 4 May 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @electrospaces @pwnallthethings

      Not sure if I get your point. Comms within MCT may have no tie to selector, but MCT has, otherwise wouldn't be collected in first place. /1

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    10. Rolf Weber‏ @twrweb 4 May 2017
      Replying to @twrweb @emptywheel and

      I don't intend to push or annoy you, but a precise example of an MCT you mean would really help. /2

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 4 May 2017
      Replying to @twrweb @electrospaces @pwnallthethings

      I don't know the technical answer. I know what has been claimed publicly. But remember this may not be emails.

      8:24 AM - 4 May 2017
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        2. Rolf Weber‏ @twrweb 4 May 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @electrospaces @pwnallthethings

          OK. Just btw, found this in the FISC opinion, which is one of my main points.pic.twitter.com/1Qn9GbfgL6

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 4 May 2017
          Replying to @twrweb @electrospaces @pwnallthethings

          Right. That's beside my point tho.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 4 May 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @twrweb and

          I'm not trying to be a jerk either. Just trying to get people who have potential solutions to tech q be aware of non tech claims.

          0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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        2. ǝʌɐp‏ @empiricalerror 4 May 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @twrweb and

          https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/08/intelligence-agency-attorney-explains-how-multi-communication-transactions-allowed …pic.twitter.com/8Qal4xRpDP

          3 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 4 May 2017
          Replying to @empiricalerror @twrweb and

          SMPs "req NSA use tech means to seg access to 2 cats of MCTs most likely to contain non-target info concerning USPs or persons in US."

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 4 May 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @empiricalerror and

          That's at 35-36 here: https://www.aclu.org/foia-document/fisc-opinion-and-order-re-section-1809 … Think there's one more ref to 2 most risky cats.

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