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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. Susan Simpson‏ @TheViewFromLL2 30 Apr 2017
      Replying to @empiricalerror

      "You think we're so innocent?" No, we're not, but that doesn't make this less of a horrific change.

      1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
    2. ǝʌɐp‏ @empiricalerror 30 Apr 2017
      Replying to @TheViewFromLL2

      I obviously agree that this is a bad change. I'm not convinced the moral angle is the right way to look at it.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    3. ǝʌɐp‏ @empiricalerror 30 Apr 2017
      Replying to @empiricalerror @TheViewFromLL2

      Murder as a means of carrying out policy has been endorsed by the US (including US presidents) before. Largely behind the scenes, but...

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    4. ǝʌɐp‏ @empiricalerror 30 Apr 2017
      Replying to @empiricalerror @TheViewFromLL2

      ... endorsed nonetheless. That Trump does it openly, however, sends all kinds of bad, strategically stupid signals to assholes around...

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    5. ǝʌɐp‏ @empiricalerror 30 Apr 2017
      Replying to @empiricalerror @TheViewFromLL2

      ... the world. So that's where I'd see the main change, not necessarily in the absolute moral / "how far we have fallen" dimension.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    6. Susan Simpson‏ @TheViewFromLL2 30 Apr 2017
      Replying to @empiricalerror

      I mean, America has embraced genocide before, so if past sins forfeit the right to oppose mass slaughter, that ship sailed long ago.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    7. ǝʌɐp‏ @empiricalerror 30 Apr 2017
      Replying to @TheViewFromLL2

      That's not what I meant. Apart from being despicable (although not more despicable than past positions / actions), embracing and...

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    8. ǝʌɐp‏ @empiricalerror 30 Apr 2017
      Replying to @empiricalerror @TheViewFromLL2

      ... thus validating it *openly* constrains policy options and makes it harder to oppose it in the future.

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 30 Apr 2017
      Replying to @empiricalerror @TheViewFromLL2

      But maybe people won't let US get away with stuff it sometimes gets away with, if we don't have good grace of endorsing murder discreetly.

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    10. ǝʌɐp‏ @empiricalerror 30 Apr 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @TheViewFromLL2

      I think that's wildly optimistic, but ymmv.

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 30 Apr 2017
      Replying to @empiricalerror @TheViewFromLL2

      What was it Bob Gates always says? People are nice to US even tho we keep leaking secrets bc it's in their interest, not bc they like us?

      8:26 AM - 30 Apr 2017
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