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    1. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 19 Apr 2017

      emptywheel Retweeted Carol Choksy

      This is an important story. But the IC seems to be overstating role June strategy paper could have on March hacks.https://twitter.com/cchoksy/status/854789724971642881 …

      emptywheel added,

      Carol Choksy @cchoksy
      Exclusive: Putin-linked think tank drew up plan to sway 2016 U.S. election - documents http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-russia-election-exclusive-idUSKBN17L2N3 …
      4 replies 13 retweets 17 likes
    2. Jeff Hauser‏Verified account @jeffhauser 19 Apr 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel

      ?pic.twitter.com/l8na4iPmk7

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 19 Apr 2017
      Replying to @jeffhauser

      Yes. The March stuff was not hacking, and they admit it was a separate effort. That's actually an important point.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 19 Apr 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @jeffhauser

      I get that everyone wants one coherent narrative but IC's clumping of everything together as "Grizzly Steppe" undermines valid analysis.

      1:47 PM - 19 Apr 2017
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        2. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 19 Apr 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @jeffhauser

          Just as an example, I'd bet a great deal of $$ we could find equally "incriminating" stuff abt USG messaging around RU's 2011 elections.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. Jeff Hauser‏Verified account @jeffhauser 19 Apr 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel

          There is *no doubt* that one take away from how bad Trump-Russia... is that the US needs to stop being imperialist.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 19 Apr 2017
          Replying to @jeffhauser

          I don't think messaging is being imperialist. Everyone does it. It helps that our media outlets are way more effective tho.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 19 Apr 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @jeffhauser

          There's other stuff that is more imperialist, tho, which also was one reason Putin hacked DNC.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        6. Jeff Hauser‏Verified account @jeffhauser 19 Apr 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel

          Yeah, my basic view is countries have a right to complain about external interventions and/but past wrongs don't make Russia-Trump right.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 19 Apr 2017
          Replying to @jeffhauser

          Sure. But I would distinguish between propaganda, which everyone does, and hacking-and-leaking, which is still rare (tho not unprecedented)

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        8. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 19 Apr 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @jeffhauser

          If the American electorate is so fragile that it cannot even withstand what happens when Silicon Valley products get turned against us...

          1 reply 1 retweet 0 likes
        9. Jeff Hauser‏Verified account @jeffhauser 19 Apr 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel

          there actually is an on point legal theory on that issue: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eggshell_skull …

          0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
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        2. Jeff Hauser‏Verified account @jeffhauser 19 Apr 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel

          I agree. I think different "Russian"/pro-Russian entities did differing things over different time periods. 1/2

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. Jeff Hauser‏Verified account @jeffhauser 19 Apr 2017
          Replying to @jeffhauser @emptywheel

          Even if, e.g., Russia/Trump money ties 2003-08 were known to official Russia... I don't think they had a 2016 election plan in mind. 2/2

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 19 Apr 2017
          Replying to @jeffhauser

          Right, and honestly, depending on the date, that Think Tank document totally undermines the dominant narrative on RU hack.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. Jeff Hauser‏Verified account @jeffhauser 19 Apr 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel

          I guess it depends on what you think is "dominant." My *guess* has always been pro-Russian sorta freelancing was retroactively blessed.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        6. Jeff Hauser‏Verified account @jeffhauser 19 Apr 2017
          Replying to @jeffhauser @emptywheel

          (in terms of US politics, whether ex ante "Putin plan" or not, if done with pro-Russian motive & Trump people discussed before release...)

          0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
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