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    1. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 13 Apr 2017

      Any story on Obama's purported non-response to RU hack should compare it to non-response on OPM hack. https://www.buzzfeed.com/hayesbrown/how-russia-hacked-obamas-legacy?utm_term=.tjV8O1PbN1#.it01M8ZOL8 …

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    2. John Hultquist‏ @JohnHultquist 13 Apr 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel

      The OPM hack was pretty in-bounds comparatively.

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    3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 13 Apr 2017
      Replying to @JohnHultquist

      How do you figure?

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    4. John Hultquist‏ @JohnHultquist 13 Apr 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel

      Targeting security clearance information is good old fashioned espionage. Any complaint would have been hypocritical and for show.

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    5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 13 Apr 2017
      Replying to @JohnHultquist

      You're suggesting we never hack and use election information as part of good old-fashioned espionage?

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    6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 13 Apr 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @JohnHultquist

      Also, doesn't that presume a response can only be abt retaliation rather than mitigation?

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    7. John Hultquist‏ @JohnHultquist 13 Apr 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel

      Everyone targets political parties. That's also good old fashioned espionage. Dumping the take through personas crossed the line.

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 13 Apr 2017
      Replying to @JohnHultquist

      Assad would be interested to hear that, given that Sabu-involved hacked documents got dumped to WL in 2012. And that's just best known ex.

      6:10 AM - 13 Apr 2017
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        2. John Hultquist‏ @JohnHultquist 13 Apr 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel

          I may be misunderstanding you, but Sabu was a hacktivist working with a crew without state support (unless you count when the FBI ran him).

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        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 13 Apr 2017
          Replying to @JohnHultquist

          Yes. This was when FBI was running him. The Syria targeting was reportedly at direction of FBI.

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        4. John Hultquist‏ @JohnHultquist 13 Apr 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel

          That wasn't TeamPoison? You got a link?

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        5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 13 Apr 2017
          Replying to @JohnHultquist

          Confused what you're asking for?

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        6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 13 Apr 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @JohnHultquist

          Also, take a step back: who decides what is "crosses the line" in spying? We don't (or haven't) adhered to many of the norms we espouse.

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        7. John Hultquist‏ @JohnHultquist 13 Apr 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel

          I guess when we can't settle by law we settle by norms. I'm sure there's game theory and all sorts of considerations I don't understand.

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        8. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 13 Apr 2017
          Replying to @JohnHultquist

          Right: but we don't adhere to norms we say we do. And there aren't pre-existing norms. Certainly leaking non-hacked docs to press "normal"

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        9. John Hultquist‏ @JohnHultquist 13 Apr 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel

          That's what's interesting. The hacking wasn't violation of norms. The leaking was. Association with election was aggravating circumstance.

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