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    1. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Mar 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @drfarls

      But Democrats can either work on shifting ideology in time for 2018, or run on issue (RU) that didn't work for Hillary.

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    2. Robert Farley‏Verified account @drfarls 6 Mar 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel

      And I don't see how Russia focus at all precludes similar ideological shift.

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    3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Mar 2017
      Replying to @drfarls

      Thus far institutional messaging has been RU. There's a whole bunch of non-Dem organizing that's not. So maybe Dems left behind?

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    4. Robert Farley‏Verified account @drfarls 6 Mar 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel

      Or maybe different parts of the machine are doing the work that they're supposed to be doing.

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    5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Mar 2017
      Replying to @drfarls

      It's not a machine. It's two competing machines.

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    6. Robert Farley‏Verified account @drfarls 6 Mar 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel

      I disagree; Democratic Party and other social movements not necessarily zero sum.

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    7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Mar 2017
      Replying to @drfarls

      Not *necessarily.* But I hope Dems don't complain when people mobilized via other entities don't vote Dem in future then.

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    8. Robert Farley‏Verified account @drfarls 6 Mar 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel

      Again, I don't think that this is either here or their with respect to Russia investigations.

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    9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Mar 2017
      Replying to @drfarls

      I get that you don't think that. I'd find some coherent plan from Dems far better evidence of that than you thinking it to be true.

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    10. Robert Farley‏Verified account @drfarls 6 Mar 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel

      "The Dems are complaining about Russia" cannot possibly be evidence for "The Dems are not working on a coherent plan."

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Mar 2017
      Replying to @drfarls

      Good! That's not what I'm arguing. I'm arguing "absence of coherent narrative suggests absence of coherent narrative."

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        2. Robert Farley‏Verified account @drfarls 6 Mar 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel

          Let's say that's true! Then Dems in Congress should be a) working to build narrative, and b) working to wound Trump.

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        3. Robert Farley‏Verified account @drfarls 6 Mar 2017
          Replying to @drfarls @emptywheel

          They can do both at the same time.

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        4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Mar 2017
          Replying to @drfarls

          Yes. And wounding Trump for hurting Americans MAY be a more effective way of reversing recent decline than screaming Russia.

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        5. Robert Farley‏Verified account @drfarls 6 Mar 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel

          And fortunately, it's possible for the Dems to a) complain about Russia, and b) complain about other stuff.

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        6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Mar 2017
          Replying to @drfarls

          Again, it is not "complain abt other stuff." It is "offer a narrative," that was lacking but that Trump offered.

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        2. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Mar 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @drfarls

          Let me put it a different way. LARGER problem w/RU is that US ideology is in collapse. Dem response is to scream "Russia."

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        3. Robert Farley‏Verified account @drfarls 6 Mar 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel

          That is *one* Dem response. Not the only one. And it doesn't preclude other responses.

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        4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Mar 2017
          Replying to @drfarls

          Of which thus far there no evidence of. Again, policies are being put into place now that invite coherent narrative. Instead RUSSIA

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        5. Robert Farley‏Verified account @drfarls 6 Mar 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel

          We're apparently not going to agree on this. I look forward to the first evidence that Russia is crowding anything out.

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        6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Mar 2017
          Replying to @drfarls

          That there is NO EVIDENCE Dems have a coherent narrative IS THAT EVIDENCE. Again, you're relying on vapors.

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        7. Robert Farley‏Verified account @drfarls 6 Mar 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel

          And so I don't agree.

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