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    emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 3 Mar 2017

    On Pence's hypocritical email: It's FUN to call out hypocrisy--I did it too. But at some point we should solve underlying issues on email

    9:08 AM - 3 Mar 2017
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    7 replies 18 retweets 54 likes
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      2. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 3 Mar 2017
        Replying to @emptywheel

        There are several issues here: 1) convenience of policy/politics split 2) difficulty of archiving (which is worse now w/messaging apps) 1/2

        1 reply 6 retweets 19 likes
      3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 3 Mar 2017
        Replying to @emptywheel

        3) avoidance of public records acts (something both Hillary & Pence guilty of)

        3 replies 6 retweets 21 likes
      4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 3 Mar 2017
        Replying to @emptywheel

        Until we decide to start solving these issues, we resign ourselves to just yelling gotcha!! every 10 months.

        4 replies 7 retweets 20 likes
      5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 3 Mar 2017
        Replying to @emptywheel

        Not to mention really facilitating the loss of evidence in cases of criminal conspiracies.

        1 reply 5 retweets 13 likes
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      2.  🇺🇸 Chris  🇺🇸‏ @wvueers2 3 Mar 2017
        Replying to @emptywheel

        You really think it's the same thing? His wasn't illegal in the slightest. He wasn't running a pay to play slush fund as SoS.pic.twitter.com/QIpOTv6mgs

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 3 Mar 2017
        Replying to @wvueers2

        It was the same in that he was avoiding records laws (until forced not to) and making sensitive comms accessible to hackers.

        1 reply 1 retweet 1 like
      4.  🇺🇸 Chris  🇺🇸‏ @wvueers2 3 Mar 2017
        Replying to @emptywheel

        Not even close to the same except the word "email". Pretty sure Indiana isn't privy to SAP material. 🙄pic.twitter.com/uQnaKWnKlB

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 3 Mar 2017
        Replying to @wvueers2

        Except insofar as he tried to buck that rule, and insofar as he exposed sensitive stuff to hackers? Right.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      6.  🇺🇸 Chris  🇺🇸‏ @wvueers2 3 Mar 2017
        Replying to @emptywheel

        More than a stretch to equate two. Mountain to a molehill, not even a molehill, perhaps an ant hill.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 3 Mar 2017
        Replying to @wvueers2

        OK. I'll put you firmly in the came of permitting officials to dodge records laws and exposing sensitive info to hackers.

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      8.  🇺🇸 Chris  🇺🇸‏ @wvueers2 3 Mar 2017
        Replying to @emptywheel

        Nice twist. Wasn't illegal. Not excusing, definitely needs reported on. But it's a false equivalence to HRC's "situation".

        0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      9. End of conversation
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      2. John Wonderlich‏Verified account @JohnWonderlich 3 Mar 2017
        Replying to @emptywheel

        records management: multi decade problem. partisan bad faith posturing / cherrypicking: just as intractable.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 3 Mar 2017
        Replying to @JohnWonderlich

        Yup. But that won't stop me from raising the issue every single time I cover another email scandal.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      4. John Wonderlich‏Verified account @JohnWonderlich 3 Mar 2017
        Replying to @emptywheel

        good! sitting here thinking about Ryan's secret healthcare plan, just wondering what can be changed here.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 3 Mar 2017
        Replying to @JohnWonderlich

        Legal teeth? Mandated server usage? Dunno. That's why we're on Twitter, to solve the world's problems, no?

        0 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
      6. End of conversation
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      2. David Scott‏ @dscottsf 3 Mar 2017
        Replying to @emptywheel

        Any lawyer will tell you to be super paranoid about email. It's cheap and easy but also a 'writing' in the sense of the law.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      3. David Scott‏ @dscottsf 3 Mar 2017
        Replying to @dscottsf @emptywheel

        Hence discoverable.

        2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 3 Mar 2017
        Replying to @dscottsf

        Sure but those who own the servers have a way of avoiding at least the first records requests.

        1 reply 1 retweet 0 likes
      5. David Scott‏ @dscottsf 3 Mar 2017
        Replying to @emptywheel

        But not forever. Once they know it's there you're screwed.

        0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      6. End of conversation

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