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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 5 Feb 2017

      Again, I find it odd left is spending more time inventing left Trump apologists than telling Trump supporters he shat on US exceptionalism

      8 replies 11 retweets 25 likes
    2. Andrew Millspaugh‏ @armillspaugh 5 Feb 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel

      Really? To me it seems like the news and public discourse today have both been dominated by Trump's pro-Russia quotes.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 5 Feb 2017
      Replying to @armillspaugh

      Yeah, but not in way that Trump supporters will care, IMO. It's more abt Trump offending THEM, then Trump betraying supporters

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 5 Feb 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @armillspaugh

      Trump supporters (esp according to polls) don't GAF that Trump is pro-Russian. They DO GAF abt American exceptionalism.

      4 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    5. Andrew Millspaugh‏ @armillspaugh 5 Feb 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel

      I thought they did. But I had a long talk with a Trump supporter about this and she argued "he was being diplomatic"

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 5 Feb 2017
      Replying to @armillspaugh

      See, that's why I'd like media narrative to be "OMIGOSH Trump just sold out US exceptionalism" over "OMIGOSH nice to Putin"

      11:22 AM - 5 Feb 2017
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        2. Andrew Millspaugh‏ @armillspaugh 5 Feb 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel

          Ah I see. You're arguing that the pitch is framed incorrectly. In that case, I think you're right.

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        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 5 Feb 2017
          Replying to @armillspaugh

          Right. Bc the elite cares abt the Putin bit, Trump's voters care abt having their specialness reinforced.

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        4. Andrew Millspaugh‏ @armillspaugh 5 Feb 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel

          One would think. I've been trying to frame my anti-Trump arg lately as him shitting on the constitution. But that hasn't worked.

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        5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 5 Feb 2017
          Replying to @armillspaugh

          I think the winning arg is 1) shitting on them 2) betraying his campaign promises, esp to drain the swamp.

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        6. Andrew Millspaugh‏ @armillspaugh 5 Feb 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel

          1) Possibly. 2) I've regularly witnessed extreme political gymnastics to get around this one.

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        7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 5 Feb 2017
          Replying to @armillspaugh

          Doesn't that say they're already experiencing some cognitive dissonance? Out of that will grow a real feeling of betrayal.

          1 reply 1 retweet 0 likes
        8. Andrew Millspaugh‏ @armillspaugh 5 Feb 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel

          I think a growing feeling of betrayal rising from cognitive dissonance requires self awareness.

          0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
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        2. David Liu‏ @lookoutcoffee 5 Feb 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @armillspaugh

          But I think @ggreenwald has been making point that A (the fact of US except) is false & B is true Trump concern

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        3. David Liu‏ @lookoutcoffee 5 Feb 2017
          Replying to @lookoutcoffee @emptywheel and

          so I think you're right A is better knock on Trump for his base, but A is what left want acknowledges

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