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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 2 Feb 2017
      Replying to @matthew_d_green

      Absolutely. In fact, that's a detail where other sources differ fr Cloudstrike & non-public data would go further.

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    2. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 2 Feb 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @matthew_d_green

      But once you say Poot cracking down on FSB bc hack, then it might lead to other conclusions on DNC hack.

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    3. Matthew Green‏ @matthew_d_green 2 Feb 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel

      To be clear, the implication is that these folks are being arrested for being CIA sources, not the hack itself.

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    4. Matthew Green‏ @matthew_d_green 2 Feb 2017
      Replying to @matthew_d_green @emptywheel

      Implication as I understand it is: if the arrests are real deal, CIA reports should be seen as more credible.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    5. Matthew Green‏ @matthew_d_green 2 Feb 2017
      Replying to @matthew_d_green @emptywheel

      Not because these folks led the hacking effort, but because they're well placed and Russia thinks they're guilty.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    6. Matthew Green‏ @matthew_d_green 2 Feb 2017
      Replying to @matthew_d_green @emptywheel

      If CIA reports were all based on bad intel and wishful thinking, implication goes, these folks wouldn't be on the hot seat.

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    7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 2 Feb 2017
      Replying to @matthew_d_green

      Again, based off the confirmation bias that this is about DNC hack. If it's not, that's not the case.

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    8. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 2 Feb 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @matthew_d_green

      Incidentally, if this is abt CIA sources, why did US need a tip from UK abt initial (FSB, by all accounts) hack of DNC?

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    9. Matthew Green‏ @matthew_d_green 2 Feb 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel

      Who says they did? If you're going to leak evidence to the public, leak the less harmful stuff.

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    10. Matthew Green‏ @matthew_d_green 2 Feb 2017
      Replying to @matthew_d_green @emptywheel

      "We learned that house was burning because we saw the smoke" not "our paid spies told us the arsonist was going there."

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 2 Feb 2017
      Replying to @matthew_d_green

      Yeah, I get that. I'm pointing out details asserted as fact would not then be fact.

      4:37 AM - 2 Feb 2017
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        1. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 2 Feb 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @matthew_d_green

          "We had no ability to learn house was burning and had to rely on those nice Brits to tell us" is what was reported.

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        2. Matthew Green‏ @matthew_d_green 2 Feb 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel

          They are facts. Just not all the facts. And to a person reporting them (without the full picture) they might appear complete.

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        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 2 Feb 2017
          Replying to @matthew_d_green

          No. Not as reported. As reported they are inconsistent with the dominant confirmation bias story being told.

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        4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 2 Feb 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @matthew_d_green

          I'll add, that there are further details that are inconsistent with CIA having that clear of knowledge.

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