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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. Adam H. Johnson‏Verified account @adamjohnsonNYC 3 Jan 2017
      Replying to @zeynep

      what McCain said objectively false. The US has not "done nothing" in Syria. This isn't debatable.

      2 replies 1 retweet 11 likes
    2. Adam H. Johnson‏Verified account @adamjohnsonNYC 3 Jan 2017
      Replying to @adamjohnsonNYC @zeynep

      using your logic RT could say Russia had "done nothing" to sway US election because it didn't directly hack voting machines.

      1 reply 0 retweets 8 likes
    3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 3 Jan 2017
      Replying to @adamjohnsonNYC

      You could write an opinion piece saying RU interference didn't have an impact because votes counted correctly, it would be+

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    4. Adam H. Johnson‏Verified account @adamjohnsonNYC 3 Jan 2017
      Replying to @zeynep

      no not impact, if they said "Russia did nothing" this would be false. As is McCains statement.

      1 reply 1 retweet 4 likes
    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 3 Jan 2017
      Replying to @adamjohnsonNYC

      I disagree with most of his reasoning *and* your interpretation of it as fake news. Sorry, just don't see that as fake news.

      2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 3 Jan 2017
      Replying to @zeynep

      Again, do you have criteria? Because you get closer and closer to saying only non-institutional things are fake news @adamjohnsonNYC

      2 replies 1 retweet 11 likes
    7. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 3 Jan 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @adamjohnsonNYC

      Can't do a 140 definition; working on longer material. Definitely want to differentiate trad journalism failure.

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    8. Adam H. Johnson‏Verified account @adamjohnsonNYC 3 Jan 2017
      Replying to @zeynep @emptywheel

      do you believe "traditional journalism" cannot, by definition, publish fake news?

      1 reply 2 retweets 5 likes
    9. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 3 Jan 2017
      Replying to @adamjohnsonNYC @emptywheel

      It fails in different ways than what got called "fake news" does. It can fail horribly. But not same. That's it.

      5 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
    10. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 3 Jan 2017
      Replying to @zeynep

      So, yes, you're making a completely deterministic thing that can be proven false by 100s of examples. @adamjohnsonNYC

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 3 Jan 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @zeynep

      Again, you might want to make an arg abt "algo-driven misinfo." But wow. You can't just claim journalism exempt. @adamjohnsonNYC

      12:19 PM - 3 Jan 2017
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        2. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 3 Jan 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @zeynep

          When Megyn Kelly says Jesus is white, is that real news? @adamjohnsonNYC

          2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
        3. Doug Johnson Hatlem‏ @djjohnso 3 Jan 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel

          Doug Johnson Hatlem Retweeted zeynep tufekci

          It seems @zeynep like you are saying MSM never purposely tries to fool people? @emptywheel @adamjohnsonNYChttps://twitter.com/zeynep/status/816296368465727488 …

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          zeynep tufekciVerified account @zeynep
          Replying to @emptywheel
          Dumb, opportunistic jumping at sensational story. Newsroom economics. Retracted. Still not "Hmm, how about Pope Endorses Trump".
          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 3 Jan 2017
          Replying to @djjohnso @emptywheel @adamjohnsonNYC

          No. Please don't quote out of context.

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 3 Jan 2017
          Replying to @zeynep

          Reupping the question. When Megyn Kelly says that Jesus is white is that fake news? @djjohnso @adamjohnsonNYC

          2 replies 1 retweet 0 likes
        6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 3 Jan 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @adamjohnsonNYC

          That kind of statement is no interest to what I'm talking about. Not discussing if Jesus resurrected either.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 3 Jan 2017
          Replying to @zeynep

          How is "pope endorses Trump" different in quality from "Jesus has the same race as I do"? @adamjohnsonNYC

          2 replies 1 retweet 2 likes
        8. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 3 Jan 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @adamjohnsonNYC

          I think the difference is obvious; I can't keep arguing every single example. I made my point. You disagree. ok

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 3 Jan 2017
          Replying to @zeynep

          Sorry. The difference is not "obvious." You're trying disdain to avoid defending your arg again. @adamjohnsonNYC

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
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