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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 3 Jan 2017

      There is no, and never was, "perfect news." Pls stop referring to every mode of failure of news as "fake news". Conflation is not analysis.

      18 replies 185 retweets 364 likes
    2. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 3 Jan 2017
      Replying to @zeynep

      Again, the reason fake news has gained purchase recently is bc of major fail at traditional media. They cannot be separated.

      3 replies 30 retweets 92 likes
    3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 3 Jan 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel @zeynep

      And WaPo more than any other outlet has to live by the terms it has adopted. It failed its own fake news criteria here.

      1 reply 11 retweets 64 likes
    4. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 3 Jan 2017
      Replying to @emptywheel

      No it hasn't. Different mode of failure. So obviously so that I'm not sure there can be a serious discussion.

      4 replies 1 retweet 13 likes
    5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 3 Jan 2017
      Replying to @zeynep @emptywheel

      Reports story without sufficient techical understanding—then retracts. Can't tell that from "Pope endorses Trump" at click farm?

      13 replies 2 retweets 21 likes
    6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 3 Jan 2017
      Replying to @zeynep @emptywheel

      PS. (WaPo's won fake news story was garbage—but that also doesn't make the fraudulent clicks/misinformation farms non-existent).

      2 replies 2 retweets 4 likes
      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 3 Jan 2017
      Replying to @zeynep

      PPS: WaPo's failures are far more dangerous to democracy.

      6:46 AM - 3 Jan 2017
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        2. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 3 Jan 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel

          I don't think you can quantify it like that. Both present real dangers; neither invalidates the others' dangers.

          2 replies 1 retweet 12 likes
        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 3 Jan 2017
          Replying to @zeynep

          Yes. You are very invested in dismissing any causal effect here.

          3 replies 3 retweets 30 likes
        4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 3 Jan 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @zeynep

          Also, description of original WaPo hack story is inaccurate. It was a technical problem AND rush to publish anon leak w/o journalism

          2 replies 5 retweets 45 likes
        5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 3 Jan 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @zeynep

          WaPo ran an anon leak w/o contacting utility.

          1 reply 4 retweets 29 likes
        6. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 3 Jan 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel

          Dumb, opportunistic jumping at sensational story. Newsroom economics. Retracted. Still not "Hmm, how about Pope Endorses Trump".

          3 replies 2 retweets 4 likes
        7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 3 Jan 2017
          Replying to @zeynep

          Sure. Just noting that your description of this was inaccurate. You need to include the failure to do basic journalism.

          4 replies 1 retweet 12 likes
        8. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 3 Jan 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @zeynep

          Did you ever answer my Bret Baier question?

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        9. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 3 Jan 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel

          ? didn't see.

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        2. The Boo'rded Crank‏ @beardedcrank 3 Jan 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @zeynep

          I have work colleagues who genuinely believe clinton murdered dozens of people. They read it on Facebook. Seems damaging

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 3 Jan 2017
          Replying to @beardedcrank

          Sure. but some of that stems from 1990s era cable news, not Facebook. Vince Foster stories. @zeynep

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. The Boo'rded Crank‏ @beardedcrank 3 Jan 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @zeynep

          but the numbers they were quoting were 47, which seems ... high. She'd be one of the greatest serial killers in history.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 3 Jan 2017
          Replying to @beardedcrank @emptywheel

          Almost everything has antecedents. Doesn't make it the same.

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        2. Michael Tracey‏Verified account @mtracey 3 Jan 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @zeynep

          Yup. WaPo goaded VT politicians into issuing incendiary anti-Putin statements. Conventional "fake news" can't do that.

          4 replies 7 retweets 20 likes
        3. zeynep tufekci‏Verified account @zeynep 3 Jan 2017
          Replying to @mtracey @emptywheel

          Can you stop tagging me since my thread starts with the point trad media does fail—and often badly? tx

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        1. Hansel Owings‏ @owingso 7 Jan 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @zeynep

          Uh no. Just no.

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        1. Quentin Hardy‏Verified account @qhardy 3 Jan 2017
          Replying to @emptywheel @zeynep

          Which of the two is willing to correct itself, admit it made a mistake? That is a crucial distinction.

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