Here's details about that time CIA/NSA collected 85,489 texts bt EPN and his closest advisors during 2012 election. https://www.emptywheel.net/2016/07/25/nsa-and-cia-hacked-enrique-pena-nieto-before-the-2012-election/ …
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@emptywheel do you really believe this is the same thing as what the Russians did? -
Where did I say it was?
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@emptywheel you didn't explicitly say that, no. But that's a clear takeaway one might takeaway from your tweet. -
if one was inventing stuff, sure. If one wasn't, then, no, it would not be a clear takeaway. Did you read new EO language?
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@emptywheel from your original tweet, calling what NSA did a hack, seemed to equivocate the two. Not trying to do a “gotcha” -
Was what the NSA did a hack? Of a candidate in a close election?
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@emptywheel key line from E) for me was this: “such activities to undermine democratic processes.” -
A claim I was NOT making in my tweet--one you had to have imposed--was that NSA leaked texts it hacked from EPN.
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I don't think anyone's shocked that we spied on Mexican officials, or that Russians spied on ours. That's been going on forever.
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If Mexico had proof of US blackmail, or a disinformation campaign meant to swing the election, then, yes, they should protest.
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What if EPN was blackmailed? How is he going to protest being blackmailed w/o revealing how we blackmailed him?
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No, I get it. Blackmail sucks. Election-rigging sucks. But as a hypothetical: if Mexican intel learned of this & had proof...
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The MX intel that has close ties and nifty goodies, courtesy of US spooks, which EPN ended up reversing campaign pledges about?
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Every case is different, but I'm saying yes, we should be held to account diplomatically for our meddling when others can do so.
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Agree. And I'm pointing out that most don't have the ability (or even the interest) to similarly sanction.
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"hacked their election" or spied on a candidate. Pretty big distinction. WH response due to organised campaign/public releases
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That's not actually what the WH says. And we're prolly behind Syria Files released to WL.
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Is that right? I always understood Syria files were Anonymous. They were used in an operation?
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Yes. Anonymous, at a time when FBI was directing Sabu who was directing Anonymous what to take, including targeting Syria.
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