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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. Ravi Nanavati‏ @fpgeek 1 Dec 2016
      Replying to @emptywheel

      I never said this is doing my democratic duty. This is me venting so i have more energy for the boulder later, hopefully.

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    2. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 1 Dec 2016
      Replying to @fpgeek

      Well, then place responsibility where it lays. With Hillary and her supporters (that is, you). Don't condescend. It's undemocratic.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    3. Ravi Nanavati‏ @fpgeek 1 Dec 2016
      Replying to @emptywheel

      Plenty to blame Hillary for (focus on wrong states, wrong voters, unfitness over policy, etc). But that's not the point.

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    4. Ravi Nanavati‏ @fpgeek 1 Dec 2016
      Replying to @fpgeek @emptywheel

      She ran a campaign that executed well on an objectively reasonable and truthful strategy. You can ask for more, but...

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    5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 1 Dec 2016
      Replying to @fpgeek

      So her pollsters are responsible for her loss?

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    6. Ravi Nanavati‏ @fpgeek 1 Dec 2016
      Replying to @emptywheel

      Lots of responsibility for the loss. Many shared causes. Not the point.

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    7. Ravi Nanavati‏ @fpgeek 1 Dec 2016
      Replying to @fpgeek @emptywheel

      The point if if your bar for success is extreme talent, perfect strategy, then you're Marino and the Dolphins - not sustainable

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    8. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 1 Dec 2016
      Replying to @fpgeek

      LOLOLOL. My bar is condescending people like you demanding that Stein bear all the blame rather than people who failed.

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    9. Ravi Nanavati‏ @fpgeek 1 Dec 2016
      Replying to @emptywheel

      Do you understand that blame for the election and blame for the fragility of democracy are separate things?

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    10. Ravi Nanavati‏ @fpgeek 1 Dec 2016
      Replying to @fpgeek @emptywheel

      Lots and lots of blame to go around for the election. The fragility of democracy can only be on the voters.

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 1 Dec 2016
      Replying to @fpgeek

      That's a sloppy cop out. But if you need to exonerate actually powerful people maybe you're not up for democracy?

      7:57 PM - 1 Dec 2016
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        2. Ravi Nanavati‏ @fpgeek 1 Dec 2016
          Replying to @emptywheel

          In a democracy, the ultimate long-run power is the people. Who else could it be? I'm not exonerating them.

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        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 1 Dec 2016
          Replying to @fpgeek

          yes. You're exonerating the person who had all the resources here. And the responsibility.

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        4. Ravi Nanavati‏ @fpgeek 1 Dec 2016
          Replying to @emptywheel

          If you're objecting that I have a judgment on quality of the campaign separate from the result, then yes, I'll agree to that.

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        5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 1 Dec 2016
          Replying to @fpgeek

          So your judgement is the campaign that failed was great? OK. That's not democracy. Nope. No wonder you're sad.

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        6. Ravi Nanavati‏ @fpgeek 1 Dec 2016
          Replying to @emptywheel

          Not great. Looked like it should have been good enough to me (better than Kerry, Gore, ...).

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        7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 1 Dec 2016
          Replying to @fpgeek

          But you weren't one of the voters who wasn't persuaded so not a great judge.

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        8. Ravi Nanavati‏ @fpgeek 1 Dec 2016
          Replying to @emptywheel

          I judge with my judgment. Including judging how I think things should be. What else would I do?

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        9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 1 Dec 2016
          Replying to @fpgeek

          Maybe not be a condescending prick and ask why people find (before the election) Hillary unpersuasive?

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