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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. Dante Atkins‏Verified account @DanteAtkins 21 Nov 2016
      Replying to @DanteAtkins

      3/? now it's ALSO true that many of these same people have seen their way of life eliminated by globalism/outsourcing, so, double-whammy

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    2. Dante Atkins‏Verified account @DanteAtkins 21 Nov 2016
      Replying to @DanteAtkins

      4/? so, "make america great again" doesn't just mean bring back the factories, it ALSO means "carrows on the corner, not shawarma"

      2 replies 1 retweet 1 like
    3. Dante Atkins‏Verified account @DanteAtkins 21 Nov 2016
      Replying to @DanteAtkins

      5/? Trump and the alt-right promise both, which is why he won the rust belt despite people being revolted by him personally

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    4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 21 Nov 2016
      Replying to @DanteAtkins

      Do you have evidence for this simplification? Or it's just handy short hand?

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    5. Dante Atkins‏Verified account @DanteAtkins 21 Nov 2016
      Replying to @emptywheel

      handy short-hand for both his entire campaign promise suite, combined with polling data.

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    6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 21 Nov 2016
      Replying to @DanteAtkins

      Where did he talk about the kinds of restaurants in flyover? I remember him talking immigration, racism, infrastructure.

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    7. Dante Atkins‏Verified account @DanteAtkins 21 Nov 2016
      Replying to @emptywheel

      oh, yeah, no, that's shorthand for elimination of diversity, combined with a lot of articles about WWC using that as examples.

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    8. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 21 Nov 2016
      Replying to @DanteAtkins

      I've read none of those articles. Neither have I heard that among the issues of actual flyover people I live among.

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    9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 21 Nov 2016
      Replying to @emptywheel @DanteAtkins

      But I have heard articles where flyover people talk abt ObamaCare increases. Want to include that in your caricatures?

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    10. Dante Atkins‏Verified account @DanteAtkins 21 Nov 2016
      Replying to @emptywheel

      yeah, that's part of the economic stuff i talked about. did you miss that part of it?

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 21 Nov 2016
      Replying to @DanteAtkins

      I saw precisely zero about ObamaCare. Can you show me where I missed it?

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        2. Dante Atkins‏Verified account @DanteAtkins 21 Nov 2016
          Replying to @emptywheel

          i didn't mention OCare specifically, I did mention economic woes/destruction of an entire way of life, so...

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        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 21 Nov 2016
          Replying to @DanteAtkins

          Right. So you missed resentment towards NEW (sometimes perceived) economic obligations.

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        4. Dante Atkins‏Verified account @DanteAtkins 21 Nov 2016
          Replying to @emptywheel

          not really. There's a perception that both rich and poor are taken care of but not the middle.

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        5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 21 Nov 2016
          Replying to @DanteAtkins

          As I said, sometimes perceived. Dems branded 25% increases of premiums as ObamaCare. Oops.

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        6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 21 Nov 2016
          Replying to @emptywheel @DanteAtkins

          It is not, however, perceived that ACA too expensive for those who don't get subsidies.

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        7. Dante Atkins‏Verified account @DanteAtkins 21 Nov 2016
          Replying to @emptywheel

          i did about 20 focus groups throughout the entire state of california consulting on this back in the day, and I disagree.

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        2. Dante Atkins‏Verified account @DanteAtkins 21 Nov 2016
          Replying to @emptywheel

          but i'm not going to pretend that racial resentment/fear of diversity doesn't exist, and that's the case you're making.

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        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 21 Nov 2016
          Replying to @DanteAtkins

          No. I'm distinguishing between real racial resentment & a stupid caricature typical of coastal people who are part of problem.

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        4. Dante Atkins‏Verified account @DanteAtkins 21 Nov 2016
          Replying to @emptywheel

          well, you perhaps don't know where i grew up or who my relatives are, but that's okay.

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        5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 21 Nov 2016
          Replying to @DanteAtkins

          I know that you are currently spouting stuff that makes real issues of flyover voters look like a cartoon show.

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        6. Dante Atkins‏Verified account @DanteAtkins 21 Nov 2016
          Replying to @emptywheel

          that's garbage. i said that their entire way of life is disappearing and their economic concerns are beyond legitimate.

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        7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 21 Nov 2016
          Replying to @DanteAtkins

          You also turned that into restaurants, which is where it descended into cartoon.

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        8. Dante Atkins‏Verified account @DanteAtkins 21 Nov 2016
          Replying to @emptywheel

          oh for god's sake, that's a freakin' metaphor for fear of diversity/latent racism. you want to derail my entire point for that?

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        9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 21 Nov 2016
          Replying to @DanteAtkins

          You, of all people, know that the metaphors used impact the success of communication. Maybe find one that's not dismissive?

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