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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. Dave Schroeder  🇺🇸‏ @daveschroeder 7 Oct 2016
      Replying to @emptywheel

      Searching "all" of something (even if foreign) = not the way foreign SIGINT works in principle or practice. See DIRNSA comments.

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    2. Dave Schroeder  🇺🇸‏ @daveschroeder 7 Oct 2016
      Replying to @daveschroeder @emptywheel

      Here is where we arrive at the impasse of what precisely constitutes "collection", "searching", "all", etc. in this context. :-/

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    3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 7 Oct 2016
      Replying to @daveschroeder

      Sure. But even if we disagree (we do!) my point was about Europeans, who have specific laws abt it.

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    4. Dave Schroeder  🇺🇸‏ @daveschroeder 7 Oct 2016
      Replying to @emptywheel

      They are already complaining. And if they complain based on an abject misunderstanding of what's actually occurring, then what?

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    5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 7 Oct 2016
      Replying to @daveschroeder

      They're not. They're complaining bc ODNI made false representations abt what happens w/ISP data.

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    6. Dave Schroeder  🇺🇸‏ @daveschroeder 7 Oct 2016
      Replying to @emptywheel

      As you said, we disagree. ;-)

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    7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 7 Oct 2016
      Replying to @daveschroeder

      You've read ODNI's representations in the Privacy Shield negotiation closely?

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    8. Dave Schroeder  🇺🇸‏ @daveschroeder 7 Oct 2016
      Replying to @emptywheel

      I have. Not sure how you can come to that conclusion based on numerous wild contradictions in reporting on Yahoo! issue alone.

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    9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 7 Oct 2016
      Replying to @daveschroeder

      So you're familiar that Litt didn't even address 12333 at first? And made representations about what upstream entailed?

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    10. Dave Schroeder  🇺🇸‏ @daveschroeder 7 Oct 2016
      Replying to @emptywheel

      How would you suggest this and other topics be represented from standpoint of public description of implementation & oversight?

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 7 Oct 2016
      Replying to @daveschroeder

      Sorry. I see you didn't answer my question.

      8:25 AM - 7 Oct 2016
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        2. Dave Schroeder  🇺🇸‏ @daveschroeder 7 Oct 2016
          Replying to @emptywheel

          I did. I disagree with characterization that it's false or misrepresentation in context of extreme complexity of implementation.

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        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 7 Oct 2016
          Replying to @daveschroeder

          So your suggestion is that, when negotiating w/allies, you should only given partial disclosure at risk of screwing US biz?

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