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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 18 Sep 2016
      Replying to @MiekeEoyang

      So now you're accusing NSA IG of being mistaken? All other oversight fails so HPSCI doesn't?

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    2. Mieke Ooooooooyang  🎃‏Verified account @MiekeEoyang 18 Sep 2016
      Replying to @emptywheel

      no I'm not. I'm just saying there may be more to this story that explains the discrepancy and not assuming malice.

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    3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 18 Sep 2016
      Replying to @MiekeEoyang

      The only way you can be right is if 1) IG reports and 2) Semiannual reports are utterly worthless. Is that your answer?

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    4. Mieke Ooooooooyang  🎃‏Verified account @MiekeEoyang 18 Sep 2016
      Replying to @emptywheel

      I'm not litigating this with you. And certainly not at 10 pm on a Sunday. I'm withholding judgement on quality of report until

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    5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 18 Sep 2016
      Replying to @MiekeEoyang

      OK. But two of us who know details in granular detail have raised NOT nitpicking issues but factual issues.

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    6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 18 Sep 2016
      Replying to @emptywheel @MiekeEoyang

      So before you start defending HPSCI, maybe do that kind of granular work. Fleitz has not done it.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    7. Mieke Ooooooooyang  🎃‏Verified account @MiekeEoyang 18 Sep 2016
      Replying to @emptywheel

      I am no HPSCI apologist as you know from my writings and testimony. I won't offer a granular assessment on incomplete info.

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    8. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 18 Sep 2016
      Replying to @MiekeEoyang

      Sure. But if they made claims that are misleading or wrong in 3 page report, they are propagandists, not overseers.

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    9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 18 Sep 2016
      Replying to @emptywheel @MiekeEoyang

      Again, I think there's a respectable anti-Snowden case. HPSCI chose not to make it, but instead to propagandize. That's problem

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    10. Mieke Ooooooooyang  🎃‏Verified account @MiekeEoyang 18 Sep 2016
      Replying to @emptywheel

      it's a damage assessment. The point it is trying to make is what happened to US security. The Snowden comments are dicta.

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 18 Sep 2016
      Replying to @MiekeEoyang

      Again, HPSCI chose to release a bunch of claims, a number of which are either misleading or clearly false. Why?

      7:31 PM - 18 Sep 2016
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        2. Mieke Ooooooooyang  🎃‏Verified account @MiekeEoyang 18 Sep 2016
          Replying to @emptywheel

          so the "misleading or false" is a layer of this debate that a) I won't take your word on b) won't defend for them.

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        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 18 Sep 2016
          Replying to @MiekeEoyang

          Don't take my word on it. Or Bart's. Look up Snowden's GED #. But you ALREADY defended them. Thereby taking their word.

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        4. Mieke Ooooooooyang  🎃‏Verified account @MiekeEoyang 18 Sep 2016
          Replying to @emptywheel

          no, I just offered things that might be true. They might not be. I am not saying i think you or Barton are wrong. I'm just

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