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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 18 Sep 2016
      Replying to @MiekeEoyang

      Again, THAT's damning. There are a bunch of obviously disingenuous, if not false, points in report. It's absolutely propaganda.

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    2. Mieke Ooooooooyang  🎃‏Verified account @MiekeEoyang 18 Sep 2016
      Replying to @emptywheel

      I think you're in a feisty mood this evening and picking fights. I disagree w/ @FredFleitz a lot but he's not always wrong.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 18 Sep 2016
      Replying to @MiekeEoyang

      I mean, if HPSCI report conflicts w/officially released NSA documents on one available point, what should we conclude?

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    4. Mieke Ooooooooyang  🎃‏Verified account @MiekeEoyang 18 Sep 2016
      Replying to @emptywheel

      which one?

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    5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 18 Sep 2016
      Replying to @MiekeEoyang

      That he "failed 702 training." per SV head he passed it.

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    6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 18 Sep 2016
      Replying to @emptywheel @MiekeEoyang

      Moreover, as of 2014, claim he failed was based off post hoc explanation from SV training involved in 2 Snowden contacts.

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    7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 18 Sep 2016
      Replying to @emptywheel @MiekeEoyang

      And there are a whole slew of other problems with that claim that an oversight committee worth its salt would investigate.

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    8. Mieke Ooooooooyang  🎃‏Verified account @MiekeEoyang 18 Sep 2016
      Replying to @emptywheel

      this is why the full report matters. Hard to know which training they're referring to in this exchange.

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    9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 18 Sep 2016
      Replying to @MiekeEoyang

      No. It's not. It's clearly based off an NSA story they didn't investigate, esp if you know req 702 training at time. Zero Q.

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    10. Mieke Ooooooooyang  🎃‏Verified account @MiekeEoyang 18 Sep 2016
      Replying to @emptywheel

      I'll take a look at the Gellman piece which I haven't read yet, but like I said, I'm reserving judgement

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 18 Sep 2016
      Replying to @MiekeEoyang

      Have you read my piece? Based on unclassified NSA docs? https://www.emptywheel.net/2016/09/15/if-snowden-doesnt-know-privacy-protections-of-702-thats-a-problem-with-nsa-training/ …

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        2. Mieke Ooooooooyang  🎃‏Verified account @MiekeEoyang 18 Sep 2016
          Replying to @emptywheel

          yeah I did. Not being privvy to implementation, i don't know specifics. But, in my experience many kinds of training on programs

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        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 18 Sep 2016
          Replying to @MiekeEoyang

          So you think SV head was lying?

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        4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 18 Sep 2016
          Replying to @emptywheel @MiekeEoyang

          It's simple. Either he was lying in prep for comms to Adm Rogers, or Snowden ultimately passed that. Very very simple.

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        5. Mieke Ooooooooyang  🎃‏Verified account @MiekeEoyang 18 Sep 2016
          Replying to @emptywheel

          No, I think you may be making assumptions about what constitutes training that may not be accurate. But I don't know, which

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        6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 18 Sep 2016
          Replying to @MiekeEoyang

          So now you're accusing NSA IG of being mistaken? All other oversight fails so HPSCI doesn't?

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        7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 18 Sep 2016
          Replying to @emptywheel @MiekeEoyang

          Actually not JUST IG would have to be wrong here, so would NSD and ODNI. Cause that's ALSO in their reports.

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