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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. Ross SKULLman‏ @RossSchulman 27 Aug 2016

      Ross SKULLman Retweeted the grugq

      When they stop repressing their people they can have LI tools. It's a nice little carrot.https://twitter.com/thegrugq/status/769492717780946944 …

      Ross SKULLman added,

      the grugq @thegrugq
      Replying to @thegrugq
      So here is the problem: repressive regimes that do bad things to their people also have legitimate reasons to need LI kit. What do you do?
      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    2. Ross SKULLman‏ @RossSchulman 27 Aug 2016
      Replying to @RossSchulman

      @thegrugq let women drive a car and we'll give you NSO.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    3. the grugq‏ @thegrugq 27 Aug 2016
      Replying to @RossSchulman

      so your ethical solution is to allow ISIS to kill innocent civilians making Hajj because of the Saudi driving laws? Ok.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 27 Aug 2016
      Replying to @thegrugq

      Saudis kill far more dissidents than they do ISIS. @RossSchulman

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    5. the grugq‏ @thegrugq 27 Aug 2016
      Replying to @emptywheel @RossSchulman

      so pick somewhere else as an example. The problem is the same.

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 27 Aug 2016
      Replying to @thegrugq

      Perhaps you're assuming certain benefits of states in an increasingly post-Westphalian world? @RossSchulman

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    7. the grugq‏ @thegrugq 27 Aug 2016
      Replying to @emptywheel @RossSchulman

      I’m questioning the premise that “don’t give LI to repressive regimes” is a black/white issue.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    8. Ross SKULLman‏ @RossSchulman 27 Aug 2016
      Replying to @thegrugq @emptywheel

      I'm not saying it has to be for you. It is for me. I sort of question the values of someone who decides different, tho

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    9. the grugq‏ @thegrugq 27 Aug 2016
      Replying to @RossSchulman @emptywheel

      I eagerly await the paper for your technique for predicting terrorist attacks :)

      3 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 27 Aug 2016
      Replying to @thegrugq

      I thought we all agreed that the current tools help investigate attacks quickly more than predict? @RossSchulman

      6:14 AM - 27 Aug 2016
      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
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        2. the grugq‏ @thegrugq 27 Aug 2016
          Replying to @emptywheel @RossSchulman

          that is not actually a premise that I grant. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_2015_anti-terrorism_operations_in_Belgium …

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 27 Aug 2016
          Replying to @thegrugq

          (W/exception of tools to ID burners.) @RossSchulman

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. the grugq‏ @thegrugq 27 Aug 2016
          Replying to @emptywheel @RossSchulman

          the grugq Retweeted the grugq

          I am not speaking in abstract terms, this is very literally how they operatehttps://twitter.com/thegrugq/status/769491338236530688 …

          the grugq added,

          the grugq @thegrugq
          Replying to @thegrugq
          ISIS kit recovered from an interdicted cell in Saudi Arabia. Note the smartphones for WhatsApp/Telegram, w/ tape pic.twitter.com/4fOLrrxpUS
          2 replies 1 retweet 0 likes
        5. the grugq‏ @thegrugq 27 Aug 2016
          Replying to @thegrugq @emptywheel @RossSchulman

          the grugq Retweeted Guy Van Vlierden

          and again, another one:https://twitter.com/GuyVanVlierden/status/769444304196628480 …

          the grugq added,

          Guy Van Vlierden @GuyVanVlierden
          Exclusive: we found out who coordinates lone wolf attacks for #IS (1/10) http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/33982/Islamitische-Staat/article/detail/2840723/2016/08/27/Uitgelekte-boodschap-spreekt-over-Belgische-Syriestrijder-die-aanslag-gaat-plegen.dhtml …
          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        6. the grugq‏ @thegrugq 27 Aug 2016
          Replying to @thegrugq @emptywheel @RossSchulman

          the weaker they get, the less capable of mounting complex operations like Paris. Hence, more RC ops.

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        7. Ross SKULLman‏ @RossSchulman 27 Aug 2016
          Replying to @thegrugq @emptywheel

          btw, setting aside morals, security assistance to other countries isn't likely to result in them doing what we want.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        8. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 27 Aug 2016
          Replying to @RossSchulman

          Right. VERY long documented history of Saudis killing civilians and promising to do better if we give them tech. @thegrugq

          2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        9. Ross SKULLman‏ @RossSchulman 27 Aug 2016
          Replying to @emptywheel @thegrugq

          not only that but it's also really unlikely they'll even use it to go after ISIS at all

          0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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