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    1. matt blaze‏Verified account @mattblaze 23 Aug 2016

      matt blaze Retweeted Chris Valasek

      Ironically, I have much more confidence in the integrity of elections run by people who don't say stuff like this.https://twitter.com/nudehaberdasher/status/768199318134218752 …

      matt blaze added,

      Chris Valasek @nudehaberdasher
      “In my experience, there is no way to compromise these election systems,” http://triblive.com/news/allegheny/11013043-74/machines-election-county …
      4 replies 64 retweets 102 likes
    2. matt blaze‏Verified account @mattblaze 23 Aug 2016
      Replying to @mattblaze

      But what do I know?

      2 replies 4 retweets 15 likes
    3. matt blaze‏Verified account @mattblaze 24 Aug 2016
      Replying to @mattblaze

      For exmpls of insecure e-voting systems (+ more importantly, broken processes that certify them), see our 2008 paper https://www.usenix.org/legacy/event/evt08/tech/full_papers/aviv/aviv.pdf …

      1 reply 17 retweets 24 likes
    4. matt blaze‏Verified account @mattblaze 24 Aug 2016
      Replying to @mattblaze

      What's changed since then? The specific bugs may be different today.

      2 replies 3 retweets 12 likes
    5. matt blaze‏Verified account @mattblaze 24 Aug 2016
      Replying to @mattblaze

      1. Our e-voting systems are definitely insecure and can be attacked. 2. There's no hard proof they've been attacked in any given election.

      6 replies 36 retweets 38 likes
    6. Try Catch HCF‏ @TryCatchHCF 24 Aug 2016
      Replying to @mattblaze

      To which I’ll add: 3. General lack of secure audit trails in e-voting machines makes #2 nearly impossible to prove attack.

      2 replies 1 retweet 3 likes
    7. David “Spooky Jello” Conrad‏ @daiconrad 24 Aug 2016
      Replying to @TryCatchHCF @mattblaze

      There are certain things we would see, though, such as exit polls diverging from outcomes. No?

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    8. matt blaze‏Verified account @mattblaze 24 Aug 2016
      Replying to @daiconrad @TryCatchHCF

      Historically, election fraud in the US tends to be local races, where there's much less exit poling data.

      1 reply 2 retweets 1 like
    9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 24 Aug 2016
      Replying to @mattblaze

      Right, but that's why I don't think we can say it hasn't happened. Hacking locally easy. Nationally, hard @daiconrad @TryCatchHCF

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    10. matt blaze‏Verified account @mattblaze 24 Aug 2016
      Replying to @emptywheel @daiconrad @TryCatchHCF

      I'm sure it's happened SOMEWHERE. But probably not (yet) widespread.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 24 Aug 2016
      Replying to @mattblaze

      Right. But for it to be widespread (ex a few states) you'd need a lot of complicit players. @daiconrad @TryCatchHCF

      12:55 PM - 24 Aug 2016
      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        1. matt blaze‏Verified account @mattblaze 24 Aug 2016
          Replying to @emptywheel @daiconrad @TryCatchHCF

          To be successful for some purposes, attack need not be undetected. May suffice to cast doubt on result.

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        2. Try Catch HCF‏ @TryCatchHCF 24 Aug 2016
          Replying to @emptywheel

          Think of voting machines as PoS devices, and think of Target etc’s full PoS herd hacked en masse. @mattblaze @daiconrad

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 24 Aug 2016
          Replying to @TryCatchHCF

          Except Target is unified company. Elections are thousands of disparate counties in 50 disparate states. @mattblaze @daiconrad

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. Try Catch HCF‏ @TryCatchHCF 24 Aug 2016
          Replying to @emptywheel

          Only a handful of e-voting machine vendors though. :-/ Fewer if focused on swing states. Same C&C/devices @mattblaze @daiconrad

          0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
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