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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 22 Jun 2016
      Replying to @renesugar

      Again, there is no "List" in the way you're thinking. There are case files, and Mateen's would have been available until 2044.

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    2. Rene Sugar‏ @renesugar 22 Jun 2016
      Replying to @emptywheel

      Document management systems allow searches. If there are case files, there is already a "list".

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    3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 22 Jun 2016
      Replying to @renesugar

      Right. You see how much you've exploded the "list" for people whose neighbors said they looked like terrorists?

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    4. Rene Sugar‏ @renesugar 22 Jun 2016
      Replying to @emptywheel

      I didn't create the "list". It already exists and each item can live on that list for up to 12 months.

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    5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 22 Jun 2016
      Replying to @renesugar

      Incorrect, again. Preliminary investigation results on NatSec cases are kept for 30 years.

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    6. Rene Sugar‏ @renesugar 22 Jun 2016
      Replying to @emptywheel

      The Time story says a preliminary investigation can stay open for up to 12 months. http://time.com/4368439/orlando-shooting-omar-mateen-fbi-investigation-dropped/ …

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    7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 22 Jun 2016
      Replying to @renesugar

      Please stop telling me that the Time story says something that is unrelated to your point. Pretty please?

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    8. Rene Sugar‏ @renesugar 22 Jun 2016
      Replying to @emptywheel

      It is not unrelated. Data retention is separate.

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    9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 22 Jun 2016
      Replying to @renesugar

      Yes. There are 2 things. 1) OPEN INVESTIGATION (not a list) 2) Data retention for NatSec cases of 30 years (not a list)

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    10. Rene Sugar‏ @renesugar 22 Jun 2016
      Replying to @emptywheel

      If case files are in a document management system, you can search it and get a "list". https://plone.com/features 

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 22 Jun 2016
      Replying to @renesugar

      So after racist neighbor reports you for looking like a terrorist, you'll come up on a search to make it. Sounds like justice.

      2:45 PM - 22 Jun 2016
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        2. Rene Sugar‏ @renesugar 22 Jun 2016
          Replying to @emptywheel

          Since document management systems allow searches, that 30 year list already exists. That is the current system as is.

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        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 22 Jun 2016
          Replying to @renesugar

          Well, no. the case files exist. So do vast swamps of metadata, which are currently used for the DIFFERENT watch list.

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        4. Rene Sugar‏ @renesugar 22 Jun 2016
          Replying to @emptywheel

          And when you search the case files using a document management system, you get a list.

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        5. Rene Sugar‏ @renesugar 22 Jun 2016
          Replying to @renesugar @emptywheel

          And when you search social media using social network analysis software, you get another list. http://motherboard.vice.com/read/sociospyder-the-tool-bought-by-the-fbi-to-monitor-social-media …

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        6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 22 Jun 2016
          Replying to @renesugar

          Actually I think you underestimate how these things get used together. Maybe when Time writes about it?

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        7. Rene Sugar‏ @renesugar 22 Jun 2016
          Replying to @emptywheel

          Funny. Social Network Analysis: A Systematic Approach for Investigating https://leb.fbi.gov/2013/march/social-network-analysis-a-systematic-approach-for-investigating …

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        8. Rene Sugar‏ @renesugar 22 Jun 2016
          Replying to @renesugar @emptywheel

          You are the one arguing against the creation of something that already exists.

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        9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 22 Jun 2016
          Replying to @renesugar

          Nope. You are the one who doesn't understand basic things about what you're arguing about, but persist nonetheless.

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