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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 22 Jun 2016

      Has any single person proposed a better replacement for terror watch lists? Kind of funny how neither side has.

      16 replies 14 retweets 29 likes
    2. Kyle Hamilton‏ @wolfoftheair 22 Jun 2016
      Replying to @emptywheel

      If terror watch lists were reformed to have due process (to get off of them), all of the opposition would evaporate. :P

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 22 Jun 2016
      Replying to @wolfoftheair

      There's also the point that that would still be an ineffective fix.

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    4. Kyle Hamilton‏ @wolfoftheair 22 Jun 2016
      Replying to @emptywheel

      not going to argue that, just stating that there's a lot of people who insist on due process.

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 22 Jun 2016
      Replying to @wolfoftheair

      I'm one of them. But let's start with something that targets the actual riskiest people.

      1:54 PM - 22 Jun 2016
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        2. Kyle Hamilton‏ @wolfoftheair 22 Jun 2016
          Replying to @emptywheel

          Might you have a suggestion for a better targeting mechanism?

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        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 22 Jun 2016
          Replying to @wolfoftheair

          To have a better targeting mechanism you'd prolly want more info on front end.

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        4. Kyle Hamilton‏ @wolfoftheair 22 Jun 2016
          Replying to @emptywheel

          What information on front end would be more useful?

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        5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 22 Jun 2016
          Replying to @wolfoftheair

          Domestic violence is a better trigger for problem than terrorism. How do you feel about tracking that?

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        6. Kyle Hamilton‏ @wolfoftheair 22 Jun 2016
          Replying to @emptywheel

          That's kind of already tracked? Misdemeanor DV conviction => prohibited possession. (n.b.: I suffered DV gunshot, in 2010.)

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        7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 22 Jun 2016
          Replying to @wolfoftheair

          "Convictions" are. But many cases of reported DV are not prosecuted. Again, still better indicator than terror listing.

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        8. Kyle Hamilton‏ @wolfoftheair 22 Jun 2016
          Replying to @emptywheel

          If prosecutors can't prosecute, it's still due process. I agree it's a better indicator than terror listing.

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        9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 22 Jun 2016
          Replying to @wolfoftheair

          Yup. Absolutely a due process issue. But at least more efficacious, but in exclusion and inclusion than terror lists.

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