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    emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 28 May 2016

    Now that it's cool to bash the Saudis (finally) can anyone make a compelling case for why we still consider them an ally?

    6:57 AM - 28 May 2016
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      2. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 28 May 2016
        Replying to @emptywheel

        For those answering oil, -- I don't buy that. You might argue dollar exchange, but oil prices historic lows, Saudis replaceable.

        7 replies 4 retweets 6 likes
      3. Adam H. Johnson‏Verified account @adamjohnsonNYC 28 May 2016
        Replying to @emptywheel

        they're where we launder our disagreeable tasks (arming rebels in various countries namely)

        2 replies 2 retweets 12 likes
      4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 28 May 2016
        Replying to @adamjohnsonNYC

        Now we might be getting somewhere. But they seem ot have gone rogue of late, making things less tidy than they used to be

        3 replies 1 retweet 3 likes
      5. Adam H. Johnson‏Verified account @adamjohnsonNYC 28 May 2016
        Replying to @emptywheel

        it's perhaps that they've outlived their usefulness. Not sure what other regime they can help us destabilize.

        1 reply 1 retweet 4 likes
      6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 28 May 2016
        Replying to @adamjohnsonNYC

        There's ALWAYS more destabilization they can do. ALWAYS.

        1 reply 1 retweet 2 likes
      7. Adam H. Johnson‏Verified account @adamjohnsonNYC 28 May 2016
        Replying to @emptywheel

        Indeed. I don't presume to know the 11 dimensional chess at work but I do think the idea of KSA being rogue is overblown.

        0 replies 1 retweet 5 likes
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      2. B. Justice‏ @zefirotorna 28 May 2016
        Replying to @emptywheel

        Oil.

        1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
      3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 28 May 2016
        Replying to @zefirotorna

        Not compelling. Oil is at historic lows. Saudis increasingly replaceable.

        1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
      4. Mick Arran‏ @mickarran 28 May 2016
        Replying to @emptywheel @zefirotorna

        Not compelling. Oil low b/c Saudis instrumental in controlling OPEC. Not an excuse or advocacy, just a reason.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 28 May 2016
        Replying to @mickarran

        Not anymore, they're not. @zefirotorna

        0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
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      2. Rob Pritchard‏ @sheep_robby 28 May 2016
        Replying to @emptywheel

        I've always assumed partly simply to keep them inside with no nuclear weapons programme.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 28 May 2016
        Replying to @sheep_robby

        So we tolerate persistent terrorist threat over decades to prevent them from getting nukes they funded already in PK?

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      4. Rob Pritchard‏ @sheep_robby 28 May 2016
        Replying to @emptywheel

        it's keeps the nukes out of the region i guess. If they had them Iran would've by now too.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 28 May 2016
        Replying to @sheep_robby

        Israel moved out of the region and I didn't hear about it?

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      2. Gregory Djerejian‏ @GregDjerejian 28 May 2016
        Replying to @emptywheel

        In part to not make it look like we've turned the larger playing field loose for Shi'a-type revanchism/lebensraum writ large.

        1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes
      3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 28 May 2016
        Replying to @GregDjerejian

        Meaning if we do it will lead to ... what consequences?

        0 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
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      2. Dikaios Logos‏ @DikaiosLogos 28 May 2016
        Replying to @emptywheel

        you have to look at WHO in the U.S. has close relations w KSA. These few have a very different set of incentives than the many

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 28 May 2016
        Replying to @DikaiosLogos

        Agree.

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      2. jlboul‏ @jlboul 28 May 2016
        Replying to @emptywheel

        Perhaps a discussion on Frontline will reveal. Pretty sure U.S. isn't secretly supporting Wahhabi sect of Sunni Islam.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 28 May 2016
        Replying to @jlboul

        No. By our actions we are overtly doing so, whether or not we support their ideology or not.

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      4. jlboul‏ @jlboul 28 May 2016
        Replying to @emptywheel

        Oh! Didn't think anyone was listening.:) Agree with you. Perhaps CIA has little Saudi moles everywhere. They've got secrets.

        0 replies 1 retweet 0 likes
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