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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. Electrospaces‏ @electrospaces 20 May 2016
      Replying to @empiricalerror

      I don't know: 3rd Party seems org view, so why not break that down to partner countries?

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    2. ǝʌɐp‏ @empiricalerror 20 May 2016
      Replying to @electrospaces

      The "3rd party" chart *may* be. The others, not so much. "France" is not an organizational structure.

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    3. Electrospaces‏ @electrospaces 20 May 2016
      Replying to @empiricalerror

      France is a 3rd Party partner, so why not?

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    4. ǝʌɐp‏ @empiricalerror 20 May 2016
      Replying to @electrospaces

      Really? Since when is "France" an "organizational structure" of the NSA? Where is the cover term?

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    5. Electrospaces‏ @electrospaces 20 May 2016
      Replying to @empiricalerror

      maybe because a partner agency has several sources that have to be grouped together, and they do that with the country name

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    6. ǝʌɐp‏ @empiricalerror 20 May 2016
      Replying to @electrospaces

      "Maybe" -- so you don't actually know? Nice, now we're getting somewhere.

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    7. Electrospaces‏ @electrospaces 20 May 2016
      Replying to @empiricalerror

      I never said that I know it 100% sure, but I think "my" interpretation is more plausible than Greenwald's

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    8. ǝʌɐp‏ @empiricalerror 20 May 2016
      Replying to @electrospaces

      I don't care about what Greenwald thinks. All I'm saying is there are a number of open questions & no satisfactory answers.

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    9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 20 May 2016
      Replying to @empiricalerror @electrospaces

      Let me be an asshole and interject. Have we ever seen how NSA measures--graphically--collecting from SIGADs?

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    10. ǝʌɐp‏ @empiricalerror 20 May 2016
      Replying to @emptywheel

      1st impulse to say "define collecting from SIGADs". That aside: Don't think we've seen anything useful on that. @electrospaces

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 20 May 2016
      Replying to @empiricalerror

      I've seen things that suggest they can't tag everything which I think (and I've been assured) is batshit nuts @electrospaces

      6:23 PM - 20 May 2016
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        2. ǝʌɐp‏ @empiricalerror 20 May 2016
          Replying to @emptywheel

          I've seen those hints as well and concur. @electrospaces

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        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 20 May 2016
          Replying to @empiricalerror

          So whence your skepticism abt defining "collect fr SIGAD" (besides James Clapper ruining that word)? @electrospaces

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        4. ǝʌɐp‏ @empiricalerror 20 May 2016
          Replying to @emptywheel

          SIGAD says nothing about the underlying technologies in use and hence not necessarily clear how to count. @electrospaces

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        5. ǝʌɐp‏ @empiricalerror 20 May 2016
          Replying to @empiricalerror @emptywheel

          Meaning: There may not be an universally applicable way. @electrospaces

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        6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 20 May 2016
          Replying to @empiricalerror

          How is it measured in any case?? Actually have no idea. @electrospaces

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        7. ǝʌɐp‏ @empiricalerror 20 May 2016
          Replying to @emptywheel

          BI charts suggest counts of DNI and DNR "records". Whether "record" has a uniform definition across all techs... @electrospaces

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        8. ǝʌɐp‏ @empiricalerror 20 May 2016
          Replying to @empiricalerror @emptywheel

          ... is anyone's guess. @electrospaces

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        9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 20 May 2016
          Replying to @empiricalerror

          Particularly given that we don't know whether an MCT or a SCT is counted as a record? @electrospaces

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