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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. Midterm Voter‏Verified account @granick 8 Apr 2016
      Replying to @RachelBLevinson

      @rachelblevinson Indianapolis v. Edmond (2000) See top of p 19. https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2723976-John-Yoo-to-FISC-2002-Stellarwind.html …

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    2. Rachel Levinson-Waldman‏Verified account @RachelBLevinson 8 Apr 2016
      Replying to @granick

      @granick Not defending, but it's a logical argument to make.

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    3. Midterm Voter‏Verified account @granick 8 Apr 2016
      Replying to @RachelBLevinson

      @rachelblevinson I don’t read him as distinguishing but as using Edmond as authority for the proposition. Here’s the sentence….

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    4. Midterm Voter‏Verified account @granick 8 Apr 2016
      Replying to @granick

      @rachelblevinson “Indeed, as the Supreme Court recognized in Edmond, warrantless, random searches undertaken for national security purposes

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    5. Rachel Levinson-Waldman‏Verified account @RachelBLevinson 8 Apr 2016
      Replying to @granick

      @granick Yeah, you're right - I take it back. I was focusing on very top line. Bizarre - Edmond doesn't even refer to national security.

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    6. Midterm Voter‏Verified account @granick 8 Apr 2016
      Replying to @RachelBLevinson

      @rachelblevinson Exactly. I didn’t think Yoo could surprise me…but here he has. I am still so naive.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    7. Rachel Levinson-Waldman‏Verified account @RachelBLevinson 8 Apr 2016
      Replying to @granick

      @granick more like exigent circumstances exception; context of immediate emergency, not continuous info collection. (2/2)

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    8. Midterm Voter‏Verified account @granick 8 Apr 2016
      Replying to @RachelBLevinson

      @rachelblevinson Agreed.

      3 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 8 Apr 2016
      Replying to @granick

      @granick I'm still tracking down some on this but reminder how govt used it w/FISCR in 2002. https://fas.org/irp/agency/doj/fisa/082102appeal.html … @rachelblevinson

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    10. Midterm Voter‏Verified account @granick 8 Apr 2016
      Replying to @emptywheel

      @emptywheel imho FISCR’s use of the case is reasonable—establish special needs exception. Yoo, however, is outlandish. @rachelblevinson

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 8 Apr 2016
      Replying to @granick

      @granick That Yoo letter likely tracks the 11/02/01 memo very close ex 2 pages. https://www.emptywheel.net/2016/04/06/john-yoos-two-justifications-for-stellar-wind/ … @rachelblevinson

      12:28 PM - 8 Apr 2016
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        2. Midterm Voter‏Verified account @granick 8 Apr 2016
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel yeah because he wrote the letter in one day. Cut and paste job from the memo. @RachelBLevinson

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        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 8 Apr 2016
          Replying to @granick

          @granick Complete w/typos. Actually saying it's prolly exact same memo except for 2 rewritten pages of even more interest. @RachelBLevinson

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        4. Midterm Voter‏Verified account @granick 8 Apr 2016
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel I assume he had to hide the fact the surveillance was already ongoing. @RachelBLevinson

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        5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 8 Apr 2016
          Replying to @granick

          @granick She knew that. Lamberth and Baker told her. @RachelBLevinson

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        6. Midterm Voter‏Verified account @granick 8 Apr 2016
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel Interesting. Why then do you think that Yoo framed the letter as conditional: could/would/etc.?

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        7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 8 Apr 2016
          Replying to @granick

          @granick Also remember Ashcroft later said he did not get complete understanding from that.

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