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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 18 Jan 2016
      Replying to @tqbf

      @tqbf Well, Chrysler was made to. I raise GM bc only backed CISA when they realized hackers wouldn't sit on disclosures @holmesworcester

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    2. Thomas H. Ptacek‏ @tqbf 18 Jan 2016
      Replying to @emptywheel

      @emptywheel @holmesworcester … can you take me from “Charlie Miller discovers vuln” to “GM is immunized under CISA and can avoid recall”?

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    3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 18 Jan 2016
      Replying to @tqbf

      @tqbf Miller tells GM. That's not just vuln, but DMCA violation. GM tells DHS, not NHTSA. NTHSA can't force recall. @holmesworcester

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    4. Thomas H. Ptacek‏ @tqbf 18 Jan 2016
      Replying to @emptywheel

      @emptywheel @holmesworcester How about “Miller tells GM, then tells CNN”, which is what will actually happen?

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    5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 18 Jan 2016
      Replying to @tqbf

      @tqbf @holmesworcester If that happens--if he goes to CNN & NHTSA can show they learned there, before GM goes to CISA--no reg immunity.

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    6. Thomas H. Ptacek‏ @tqbf 18 Jan 2016
      Replying to @emptywheel

      @emptywheel @holmesworcester Also: DMCA has an exception for security research, which I’m sure you know, so how is it relevant?

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    7. matt blaze‏Verified account @mattblaze 18 Jan 2016
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      @tqbf @emptywheel @holmesworcester Unfortunately, only a temporary exemption, and not in effect until October.

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    8. Thomas H. Ptacek‏ @tqbf 18 Jan 2016
      Replying to @mattblaze

      @mattblaze @emptywheel @holmesworcester Point taken. But DMCA only impacts disclosure of instrumentality of vuln, not nature of vuln itself.

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    9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 18 Jan 2016
      Replying to @tqbf

      @tqbf Sure. All Im saying is there are multiple ways for GM to report under terms of cyber sig in CISA. @mattblaze @holmesworcester

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    10. Thomas H. Ptacek‏ @tqbf 18 Jan 2016
      Replying to @emptywheel

      @emptywheel @mattblaze @holmesworcester The only scenario where it could requires Charlie Miller to be complicit in avoiding recall.

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 18 Jan 2016
      Replying to @tqbf

      @tqbf Again, not if GM beats him to DHS. And I THINK GM's new CISO framework gives them a window here. @mattblaze @holmesworcester

      12:44 PM - 18 Jan 2016
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        2. Thomas H. Ptacek‏ @tqbf 18 Jan 2016
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel @mattblaze @holmesworcester Again: without CISA, they don’t get the early notice you’re considering AT ALL.

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        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 18 Jan 2016
          Replying to @tqbf

          @tqbf Sure. So? NHTSA learned abt Chrysler fr Wired. Issued recall. @mattblaze @holmesworcester

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        4. Thomas H. Ptacek‏ @tqbf 18 Jan 2016
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel @mattblaze @holmesworcester If Chrysler had disclosed indicator, and then Wired published, NTHSA could still regulate!

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        5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 18 Jan 2016
          Replying to @tqbf

          @tqbf Not according to author of bill, FSR, and others. No. Once you disclose, no reg. @mattblaze @holmesworcester

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        6. Thomas H. Ptacek‏ @tqbf 18 Jan 2016
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel @mattblaze @holmesworcester No reg based on YOUR OWN DISCLOSURE. No impact on OTHER disclosures.

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        7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 18 Jan 2016
          Replying to @tqbf

          @tqbf If that other disclosure is different from what was initially disclosed. But not if it's the same thing. @mattblaze @holmesworcester

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        8. Thomas H. Ptacek‏ @tqbf 18 Jan 2016
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel @mattblaze @holmesworcester I’m sorry but I just don’t see how you draw that conclusion from the law.

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        9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 18 Jan 2016
          Replying to @tqbf

          @tqbf I see that. @mattblaze @holmesworcester

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        2. Thomas H. Ptacek‏ @tqbf 18 Jan 2016
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel @mattblaze @holmesworcester I’m still unclear. How does beating Miller to DHS help? Once he gets to DHS, they can act.

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        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 18 Jan 2016
          Replying to @tqbf

          @tqbf No. Once GM self-discloses, govt can't initiate regulatory action. @mattblaze @holmesworcester

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        4. Thomas H. Ptacek‏ @tqbf 18 Jan 2016
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel @mattblaze @holmesworcester That just doesn’t seem accurate. If GM murders someone and shares under CISA, they aren’t off hook.

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        5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 18 Jan 2016
          Replying to @tqbf

          @tqbf They're not off the hook for liability in courts. They're not off the hook if they broke the law. @mattblaze @holmesworcester

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        6. Thomas H. Ptacek‏ @tqbf 18 Jan 2016
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel @mattblaze @holmesworcester They’re not off the hook in ANY SENSE so long as NTHSA/DHS has multiple sources, which they will.

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