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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. onekade‏ @onekade 9 Nov 2015

      I don't get why anyone believes the NSA will only search phone records per FISC orders when DEA had a program they ran with AT&T for years

      2 replies 8 retweets 10 likes
    2. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 9 Nov 2015
      Replying to @onekade

      @onekade DEA had a program w/most or all, that was foreign focused. HIDTA, as far as we know, still has a program w/AT&T FBI also uses.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    3. onekade‏ @onekade 9 Nov 2015
      Replying to @emptywheel

      @emptywheel right. so why do people think NSA is gonna have to go to a "court" to get permission to do this? this is dumb thinking.

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 9 Nov 2015
      Replying to @onekade

      @onekade Also, NSA has (presumably all) US-international calls which it doesn't need NSA permission for. People always forget 215=fraction.

      2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
    5. onekade‏ @onekade 9 Nov 2015
      Replying to @emptywheel

      @emptywheel also, NSA violates the law whenever it feels like it anyway, and AT&T has no fear of civil litigation so. bad combo.

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    6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 9 Nov 2015
      Replying to @onekade

      @onekade To be fair, FBI is more likely to violate rules, and DEA still more so. And they have other ways of getting this.

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    7. onekade‏ @onekade 9 Nov 2015
      Replying to @emptywheel

      @emptywheel come on, Marcy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_SHAMROCK … http://bangordailynews.com/2013/09/26/news/nation/nsa-eavesdropped-on-vietnam-war-critics-mlk-muhammad-ali-art-buchwald/ …

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    8. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 9 Nov 2015
      Replying to @onekade

      @onekade They would say that was legal (and it was until 1972).

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    9. onekade‏ @onekade 9 Nov 2015
      Replying to @emptywheel

      @emptywheel lol come on. according to the constitution it clearly wasn't.

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 9 Nov 2015
      Replying to @onekade

      @onekade Constitution constitsmushin. Only Richard Leon and Damon Keith care about that.

      11:19 AM - 9 Nov 2015
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        2. onekade‏ @onekade 9 Nov 2015
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel but you're right. "if there isn't a law that explicitly bans me from doing this" = how the government works, with court approval

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        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 9 Nov 2015
          Replying to @onekade

          @onekade Yep! But DEA and FBI push things further than NSA, which should be concerning bc they can put us in jail.

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        4. onekade‏ @onekade 9 Nov 2015
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel right. but who has the most technical capacity? don't answer DEA.

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        5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 9 Nov 2015
          Replying to @onekade

          @onekade Don't think in terms of technical capacity. Think in terms of bureaucratic capacity to get those with it to do your work for you.

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        6. onekade‏ @onekade 9 Nov 2015
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel ok. well perhaps we can agree on this: abolish the DEA slash the FBI's funding by 90%

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        7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 9 Nov 2015
          Replying to @onekade

          @onekade No. abolish the DEA. slash FBI's funding by 30%, make them use 25% hunting banksters.

          2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        8. onekade‏ @onekade 9 Nov 2015
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel NO NO NO they do mostly bullshit. if you slash 90% they'll be required to spend the remaining ten on serial killers

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        1. I'm Here To Fight, Love, Serve‏ @CamilleEChavez 9 Nov 2015
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel @onekade I believe it's Constitution Smonstitution.

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