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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. matt blaze‏Verified account @mattblaze 7 May 2015

      2nd Cir 215 ruling is hugely important, but note that they let stand the denial of relief, since it's "just a few more weeks".

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    2. matt blaze‏Verified account @mattblaze 7 May 2015
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      Given that an injunction is pretty much the only effective relief against natsec (non criminal) surveillance, that seems unfortunate.

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    3. matt blaze‏Verified account @mattblaze 7 May 2015
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      Even when the court's opinion is as unequivocal as here, getting an injunction against national security programs seems almost impossible.

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    4. Midterm Voter‏Verified account @granick 7 May 2015
      Replying to @mattblaze

      @mattblaze Injunction isn't the only possible relief. Now the phone companies have to decide whether to break 2d Cir. law.

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    5. matt blaze‏Verified account @mattblaze 7 May 2015
      Replying to @granick

      @granick I'm not betting on the telcos to be very aggressive here...

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 7 May 2015
      Replying to @mattblaze

      @mattblaze Both Sprint and VZ had pursued limited challenges in past. Half-heartedly tho, esp from VZ. @granick

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        2. matt blaze‏Verified account @mattblaze 7 May 2015
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel @granick What's the status of the current order in the 2d Cir? Does this effectively void it?

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        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 7 May 2015
          Replying to @mattblaze

          @mattblaze No. It assumes the unlawful program will end on June 1, which is interesting bc USAF includes 6 month transition. @granick

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        2. matt blaze‏Verified account @mattblaze 7 May 2015
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel @granick Telcos in my experience want whatever legal cover is required to let them make gov't as happy as possible.

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        3. Midterm Voter‏Verified account @granick 7 May 2015
          Replying to @mattblaze

          @mattblaze @emptywheel See David Kris on telco int'l politics, toward the end: http://www.lawfareblog.com/2015/05/on-the-second-circuits-section-215-decision/ …

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        4. matt blaze‏Verified account @mattblaze 7 May 2015
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          @granick @emptywheel Yeah, but "providers" covers a wide range. Legacy telcos care a *lot* about keeping gov't happy.

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        5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 7 May 2015
          Replying to @mattblaze

          @mattblaze I think VZ is in a very different place than AT&T. @granick

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        6. matt blaze‏Verified account @mattblaze 7 May 2015
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel @granick Could be. Why do you think?

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        7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 7 May 2015
          Replying to @mattblaze

          @mattblaze I think a BIG part of claims they don't get all phone records is due to VZ being strict abt wording of orders. @granick

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        2. Midterm Voter‏Verified account @granick 7 May 2015
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel @mattblaze But now there's statutory liability on the table.

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        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 7 May 2015
          Replying to @granick

          @granick Well, VZ challenged in response to Klayman decision. So same gig. @mattblaze

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