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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. Julian Sanchez‏ @normative 11 Feb 2015
      Replying to @electrospaces

      @electrospaces @CasparBowden How intensive do you think the review of an analyst’s foreignness determination is on 90k targets/year?

      1 reply 2 retweets 1 like
    2. Electrospaces‏ @electrospaces 11 Feb 2015
      Replying to @normative

      @normative I don't know, but if that would happen, it would be wilfully illegal @CasparBowden

      3 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 11 Feb 2015
      Replying to @electrospaces

      @electrospaces Hard to say it'd be impossible given what we see in IOB reports. Also, he said email, so XKS likely @normative @CasparBowden

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    4. Electrospaces‏ @electrospaces 11 Feb 2015
      Replying to @emptywheel

      @emptywheel XKS isn't used for 702 FAA collection as far as I know @normative @CasparBowden

      3 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 11 Feb 2015
      Replying to @electrospaces

      @electrospaces If he can pull email content routed overseas via EO 12333 collection he has "wiretapped." @normative @CasparBowden

      3 replies 1 retweet 2 likes
    6. Rolf Weber‏ @twrweb 12 Feb 2015
      Replying to @emptywheel

      @emptywheel Being able to search in incidentally collected data overseas, I wouldn't call wiretap. @electrospaces @normative @CasparBowden

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 12 Feb 2015
      Replying to @twrweb

      @twrweb You do realize when you say "incidentally" you mean "all"? This is bulk, not targeted. @electrospaces @normative @CasparBowden

      1 reply 1 retweet 0 likes
    8. Rolf Weber‏ @twrweb 12 Feb 2015
      Replying to @emptywheel

      @emptywheel EO12333 doesn't allow bulk collection of US persons. @electrospaces @normative @CasparBowden

      3 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 12 Feb 2015
      Replying to @twrweb

      @twrweb That's not PERMITTED under EO12333. But that's a legal issue that can be bypassed @electrospaces @normative @CasparBowden

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    10. Rolf Weber‏ @twrweb 12 Feb 2015
      Replying to @emptywheel

      @emptywheel Where do you know from data of US persons is not filtered out? @electrospaces @normative @CasparBowden

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 12 Feb 2015
      Replying to @twrweb

      @twrweb Very simple: IC's own definition of "bulk." @electrospaces @normative @CasparBowden

      5:39 AM - 12 Feb 2015
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        2. Rolf Weber‏ @twrweb 12 Feb 2015
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel Do you have a link? @electrospaces @normative @CasparBowden

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        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 12 Feb 2015
          Replying to @twrweb

          @twrweb Um. If you haven't read PPD-28 then you're not prepared to have this convo. @electrospaces @normative @CasparBowden

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        4. Rolf Weber‏ @twrweb 12 Feb 2015
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel PPD-28 doesn't permit bulk collection of US persons. EO12333 prohibits it. @electrospaces @normative @CasparBowden

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 12 Feb 2015
          Replying to @twrweb

          @twrweb You're still struggling with bulk, aren't you. It's almost cute but sort of sad. @electrospaces @normative @CasparBowden

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        6. Rolf Weber‏ @twrweb 12 Feb 2015
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel No I just read documents & doubt Snowden's claims on wiretaping. @electrospaces @normative @CasparBowdenpic.twitter.com/MCDAZeWVGp

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 12 Feb 2015
          Replying to @twrweb

          @twrweb Doesn't matter. If you can't master "bulk" = "all" you're making faces at self in mirror. @electrospaces @normative @CasparBowden

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        8. Rolf Weber‏ @twrweb 12 Feb 2015
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel Bulk with filtered or minimized US data is still bulk. But you can't target POTUS with. @electrospaces @normative @CasparBowden

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 12 Feb 2015
          Replying to @twrweb

          @twrweb No. It's not. You're badly misreading. Bulk = all. VERY basic (and clear). @electrospaces @normative @CasparBowden

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