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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. James Salsman  📎‏ @jsalsman 31 Jan 2015
      Replying to @rahulsagar

      @rahulsagar @csoghoian if leaks expose wrongdoing on the part of government, why should anyone but the bad officials be held responsible?

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    2. Rahul Sagar‏ @rahulsagar 31 Jan 2015
      Replying to @jsalsman

      @jsalsman Not all leaks reveal wrongdoing. Some are malicious or self-serving. Others can cause collateral damage to allies or innocents.

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    3. James Salsman  📎‏ @jsalsman 31 Jan 2015
      Replying to @rahulsagar

      @rahulsagar what would you estimate is the proportion of leaks exposing wrongdoing and the proportion of leaks potentially causing harm?

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    4. James Salsman  📎‏ @jsalsman 4 Feb 2015
      Replying to @jsalsman

      @rahulsagar Hi? What would you estimate is the proportion of leaks exposing wrongdoing and the proportion of leaks potentially causing harm?

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    5. Rahul Sagar‏ @rahulsagar 4 Feb 2015
      Replying to @jsalsman

      @jsalsman Hard to say because additional classified information often needed to ascertain harm caused. Better to evaluate particular cases.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    6. James Salsman  📎‏ @jsalsman 4 Feb 2015
      Replying to @rahulsagar

      @rahulsagar When is the last time you've seen a leak to a journalist do any harm? They're almost always intended to whistleblow aren't they?

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    7. Rahul Sagar‏ @rahulsagar 4 Feb 2015
      Replying to @jsalsman

      @jsalsman http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plame_affair …

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    8. James Salsman  📎‏ @jsalsman 4 Feb 2015
      Replying to @rahulsagar

      @ValeriePlame what proportion of classified leaks 2 press do you think harm nat'l security & what % just expose wrongdoing? Cc @rahulsagar

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    9. James Salsman  📎‏ @jsalsman 6 Feb 2015
      Replying to @jsalsman

      @ValeriePlame seriously, you've got to be the best authority on this, right? What proportion of intentional leaks to the press are helpful?

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    10. Valerie Plame Wilson‏Verified account @ValeriePlame 6 Feb 2015
      Replying to @jsalsman

      @jsalsman That is such an interesting question. Truth is, I have no idea. Maybe toss to @emptywheel? What do you think, Marcy?

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Feb 2015
      Replying to @ValeriePlame

      @ValeriePlame Every leak has an agenda. Problem is govt uses its asymmetric advantage in leaking v us. So more Q of fixing that @jsalsman

      8:24 AM - 6 Feb 2015
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        2. James Salsman  📎‏ @jsalsman 6 Feb 2015
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel @ValeriePlame what about @WndlB's question: Would you rather host an embassy cocktail party shortly before or after Wikileaks?

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        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Feb 2015
          Replying to @jsalsman

          @jsalsman But she was ALSO unaware of how WL had exposed our own hypocrisy on precisely the issues at hand. @ValeriePlame @WndlB

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        4. Wendell Bialy or Belyy‏ @WndlB 6 Feb 2015
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel @jsalsman @ValeriePlame Right--and a HUGE difference between socially awkward and disclosing bomb designs/attack plans.

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        5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Feb 2015
          Replying to @WndlB

          @WndlB Even as govt employee working on precisely those issues, she was unaware how US violates issues she works on @jsalsman @ValeriePlame

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        6. James Salsman  📎‏ @jsalsman 6 Feb 2015
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel like paying for exploits from organized crime w/o reporting them for patching allows both bad cops and robbers more surveillance

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        7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Feb 2015
          Replying to @jsalsman

          @jsalsman Not precisely what I was saying. More that even people within the beast need the secrets to know what govt is doing.

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        8. James Salsman  📎‏ @jsalsman 6 Feb 2015
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel use of the term "the beast" does not inspire confidence that you think things are going the way Jefferson & Franklin intended

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        2. Wendell Bialy or Belyy‏ @WndlB 6 Feb 2015
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel @ValeriePlame @jsalsman 90+% of 'leaks' are to favorably spin what's going to be coming out anyway: See, Obama's budget

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        3. James Salsman  📎‏ @jsalsman 6 Feb 2015
          Replying to @WndlB

          @WndlB @emptywheel @ValeriePlame trying to find proportions of leaks damaging national security and expose wrongdoing; don't care about spin

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        4. Wendell Bialy or Belyy‏ @WndlB 6 Feb 2015
          Replying to @jsalsman

          @jsalsman Next up, definition of "damaging national security." Manning made things embarrassing. See also, worries about cop locator app.

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