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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 9 Jan 2015
      Replying to @4tis

      @4tis Not sure if you've heard but there IS a dragnet. They were watching this guy. The dragnet is not working. @Glinner

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    2. 4tis‏ @4tis 9 Jan 2015
      Replying to @emptywheel

      @emptywheel @Glinner Varying degrees of "watching". Were they being continuously surveilled? I doubt it. What would you want them to do?

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    3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 9 Jan 2015
      Replying to @4tis

      @4tis You do seem sadly unaware about the dragnet's extensiveness. Point is the dragnet doesn't work. More targeted intel might @Glinner

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    4. 4tis‏ @4tis 9 Jan 2015
      Replying to @emptywheel

      @emptywheel @Glinner Do you know how many people were in the same category as the suspects?

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    5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 9 Jan 2015
      Replying to @4tis

      @4tis Less than 50,000. But mixed in the hundreds of millions who have no terrorist ties. You're catching up (slowly). @Glinner

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    6. 4tis‏ @4tis 9 Jan 2015
      Replying to @emptywheel

      @emptywheel Say there are only 20,000. How many people would be required to carry out "targeted" surveillance of those?

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    7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 9 Jan 2015
      Replying to @4tis

      @4tis Point is it's not working. It's not doing what has been promised. Until we fix the reasons why, making it bigger is height of insanity

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    8. 4tis‏ @4tis 9 Jan 2015
      Replying to @emptywheel

      @emptywheel Not saying that you're wrong, but your comment sounds as much a knee jerk reaction as those saying we should have more spying.

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    9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 9 Jan 2015
      Replying to @4tis

      @4tis Right. Your way is better. Let them dragnet w/o ever being asked to show it works.

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    10. 4tis‏ @4tis 9 Jan 2015
      Replying to @emptywheel

      @emptywheel where did I say that?

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 9 Jan 2015
      Replying to @4tis

      @4tis You're suggesting that by asking questions I'm knee jerk responding. Ergo you must have a problem with simple questions.

      8:10 AM - 9 Jan 2015
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        2. 4tis‏ @4tis 9 Jan 2015
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel Is that not your position? Or do you it does have some benefit, just not 100% effective?

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        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 9 Jan 2015
          Replying to @4tis

          @4tis No, it's the position you pulled out of you ass to ascribe to me.

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        4. 4tis‏ @4tis 9 Jan 2015
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel Could you clarify your position?

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        5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 9 Jan 2015
          Replying to @4tis

          @4tis My "position" is an observation that increasingly terrorists who attack have been tracked, but not stopped.

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        6. 4tis‏ @4tis 9 Jan 2015
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel Do you think that it is realistic to expect *all* attacks by tracked potential terrorists to be stopped?

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        7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 9 Jan 2015
          Replying to @4tis

          @4tis Sorry. Your position is? It's your turn to answer my q, before you invent more caricatures out of thin air.

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        8. 4tis‏ @4tis 9 Jan 2015
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel if you accept that any system will fail to catch 100% of attacks then we shouldn't be surprised that events like this happen.

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        9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 9 Jan 2015
          Replying to @4tis

          @4tis So maybe you should just apologize for mischaracterizing my views and go on your little way?

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        2. 4tis‏ @4tis 9 Jan 2015
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel You seemed to be suggesting that the "dragnet", as you called it, was pointless because it failed to stop those attacks.

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        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 9 Jan 2015
          Replying to @4tis

          @4tis I did no such thing. I asserted that none were stopped, in spite of dragnet (as many knowledgeable people call it). That's true.

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        4. 4tis‏ @4tis 9 Jan 2015
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel Which goes back to my point about vaccination.

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        5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 9 Jan 2015
          Replying to @4tis

          @4tis Or my point about how there's too much hay in the haystack, which is more apt, and which many people have observed.

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