@emptywheel @Glinner every recidivist criminal is "known" to the police before they commit further crimes. Should they all be locked up?
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@emptywheel@Glinner Varying degrees of "watching". Were they being continuously surveilled? I doubt it. What would you want them to do? -
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@emptywheel@Glinner Do you know how many people were in the same category as the suspects? -
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@emptywheel Say there are only 20,000. How many people would be required to carry out "targeted" surveillance of those? -
@4tis Dunno. I DO know that the SIGINT people have repeatedly claimed that this dragnet would accomplish that objective.
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@emptywheel they have all the data but no positive way of disseminating it. -
@JohnBgeologist I don't think that's the problem. I think it's that they're not triggering on the right data and have too much coming in. -
@emptywheel@JohnBgeologist Don't forget the Mumbai attacks. -
@matthew_d_green Oh, I added Headley. Just ran out of room in 1 tweet. Could add Abdulmutallab--we haven't heard most on it@JohnBgeologist
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Do intelligence agencies get more $$$ when they prevent attacks or when they allow them to happen?
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@CarlNyberg312 In the US they get more if they catch kids in stings using informants.
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@emptywheel you think they should do more, less, or different? -
@Wolverineks Less and different.
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@emptywheel@matthew_d_green whoa there, sounds a lot like you are an advocate of pre-crime, some things just hv to let happen, imo -
@GeorgeSosa4 Not at all. I'm suggesting the dragnet is not fulfilling its stated purpose.@matthew_d_green -
@emptywheel@matthew_d_green I gotcha, no offense intended, just giving my opinion
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@emptywheel@thegrugq It would be interesting to know on how many people comparable intel existed in each case. Possibly quite large groups -
@sergeybratus@emptywheel@thegrugq when you cast the dragnet so wide, you'll have info on EVERYBODY -
@ErrataRob@emptywheel@thegrugq Quite so. Dragnets collect data but fail to prioritize it, and will keep failing despite "ML magic" claims. - 2 more replies
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