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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. Jacob Appelbaum‏ @ioerror 17 Nov 2014
      Replying to @emptywheel

      @emptywheel @charlie_savage I'd call that learning rather than automation - the systems are all digital, tasking is automated, etc.

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    2. Charlie Savage‏Verified account @charlie_savage 17 Nov 2014
      Replying to @ioerror

      @ioerror @emptywheel Are you asking if NSA directly tasks w/out private sector mediation?

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    3. Jacob Appelbaum‏ @ioerror 17 Nov 2014
      Replying to @charlie_savage

      @charlie_savage @emptywheel I'm asking - what computer systems are used, what is the process, how does data flow, and so on. Exact details.

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    4. Charlie Savage‏Verified account @charlie_savage 17 Nov 2014
      Replying to @ioerror

      @ioerror @emptywheel IG report p17: Stellarwind upstream tasking at telecom-controlled locs, selected data (not fulltake) to SSO/Pinwale

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    5. Charlie Savage‏Verified account @charlie_savage 17 Nov 2014
      Replying to @charlie_savage

      @ioerror @emptywheel Also interesting: NSA sent upstream tasking instructions directly to equipment, telecom didn't implement unlike phone

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    6. Jacob Appelbaum‏ @ioerror 18 Nov 2014
      Replying to @charlie_savage

      @charlie_savage @emptywheel Thus they have full take *access* to *select* from the full feed.

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    7. Charlie Savage‏Verified account @charlie_savage 18 Nov 2014
      Replying to @ioerror

      @ioerror @emptywheel Agree but that's pretty significantly different from fulltake collection and rolling buffer storage a la 12333/XKS, no?

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    8. Jacob Appelbaum‏ @ioerror 18 Nov 2014
      Replying to @charlie_savage

      @charlie_savage @emptywheel No. And if you assert that it is different, I want technical specs to compare and contrast.

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    9. Charlie Savage‏Verified account @charlie_savage 18 Nov 2014
      Replying to @ioerror

      @ioerror @emptywheel Explain your assertion that presence v absence of rolling 3-day buffer of stored fulltake would be insignificant?

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    10. Jacob Appelbaum‏ @ioerror 18 Nov 2014
      Replying to @charlie_savage

      @charlie_savage @emptywheel There is full take interception. Buffer size is a difference of degree, not kind.

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 18 Nov 2014
      Replying to @ioerror

      @ioerror Is interception the correct word if telecoms are "intercepting"? Also, WSj said it gets 75% of traffic. @charlie_savage

      6:51 AM - 18 Nov 2014
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        2. Charlie Savage‏Verified account @charlie_savage 18 Nov 2014
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel @ioerror Many words/concepts from legal rules for phone wiretapping tech are an awkward fit to upstream datapacket sifting.

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        3. Jacob Appelbaum‏ @ioerror 18 Nov 2014
          Replying to @charlie_savage

          @charlie_savage @emptywheel This interception. It couldn't be clearer.

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        1. Jacob Appelbaum‏ @ioerror 18 Nov 2014
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel @charlie_savage One of the core problems here is a lack of understanding of machine architecture.

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        1. Jacob Appelbaum‏ @ioerror 18 Nov 2014
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel @charlie_savage Yes. Replace yourself with the telecom - did you just commit a felony? If so, often: interception!

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