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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. ǝʌɐp‏ @empiricalerror 30 Oct 2014
      Replying to @electrospaces

      @electrospaces The answer is (a) Hemisphere is huge and (b) the domestic 215 metadata is probably not included in NSA's figure. @dametzger

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    2. Electrospaces‏ @electrospaces 30 Oct 2014
      Replying to @empiricalerror

      @empiricalerror @dametzger Yes, the 215 domestic collection is not included in the 5 billion

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    3. ǝʌɐp‏ @empiricalerror 30 Oct 2014
      Replying to @electrospaces

      @electrospaces There you go. @dametzger

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    4. Electrospaces‏ @electrospaces 30 Oct 2014
      Replying to @empiricalerror

      @empiricalerror 215 metadata must count into trillions, and probably for that they built the Utah data center - but also no docs about that

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    5. ǝʌɐp‏ @empiricalerror 30 Oct 2014
      Replying to @electrospaces

      @electrospaces At least no docs *yet*. I doubt that housing the 215 collection was the primary purpose for building the Utah Deathstar, tho.

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    6. Electrospaces‏ @electrospaces 30 Oct 2014
      Replying to @empiricalerror

      @empiricalerror Maybe not the primary purpose, but that's why docs about Utah would have been interesting: what exactly was that built for

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    7. ǝʌɐp‏ @empiricalerror 30 Oct 2014
      Replying to @electrospaces

      @electrospaces Perhaps we'll learn about it one day... Perhaps not. Wait and see.

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    8. Electrospaces‏ @electrospaces 30 Oct 2014
      Replying to @empiricalerror

      @empiricalerror Yes.. It's also possible that 215 collection is in an ECI compartment where Snowden had no access to

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    9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 30 Oct 2014
      Replying to @electrospaces

      @electrospaces 2) Remember that 215 is just mere faction of phone metadata (per public docs and Clarke).. 12333 far bigger @empiricalerror

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    10. Electrospaces‏ @electrospaces 30 Oct 2014
      Replying to @emptywheel

      @emptywheel collection under 215 will outnumber that 10, 20, 30 times or even more (2/2) @empiricalerror

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 30 Oct 2014
      Replying to @electrospaces

      @electrospaces Not to mention other public documents. But I revert to my question: are you talking LOCATION or CDR? @empiricalerror

      7:16 PM - 30 Oct 2014
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        2. Electrospaces‏ @electrospaces 30 Oct 2014
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel I am talking about CDR/phone metadata records in general, which include the location data @empiricalerror

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        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 30 Oct 2014
          Replying to @electrospaces

          @electrospaces Second, domestic CDRs don't include location. @empiricalerror

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        4. Electrospaces‏ @electrospaces 30 Oct 2014
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel That's right. But in my opinion location data are part of CDR in the form as they are collected overseas @empiricalerror

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        5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 30 Oct 2014
          Replying to @electrospaces

          @electrospaces May be--should be. But the records we've seen including numbers are abt freestanding geolocation RESEARCH. @empiricalerror

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        6. Electrospaces‏ @electrospaces 30 Oct 2014
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel Eh, what research do you mean exactly? @empiricalerror

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        7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 30 Oct 2014
          Replying to @electrospaces

          @electrospaces Only numbers I remember on geolocation input involved doc comparing research programs. Asking you for link @empiricalerror

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        8. Electrospaces‏ @electrospaces 30 Oct 2014
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel And as it seems the diagram shows traditional EO 12333 collection, these metadata include location data @empiricalerror

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        9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 30 Oct 2014
          Replying to @electrospaces

          @electrospaces Ah, thought you were talking this which is abt research, which is part of the issue. https://www.eff.org/files/2013/12/11/20131210-wapo-cotraveler_overview.pdf … @empiricalerror

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