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    emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 23 Sep 2014

    Can anyone plausible think of something that'd be stored only a phone that would be determinative in Kidnapping case? http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/09/23/i-helped-save-a-kidnapped-man-from-murder-with-apples-new-encryption-rules-we-never-wouldve-found-him/ …

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      2. scaredy-cop‏ @occbaystreet 23 Sep 2014
        Replying to @emptywheel

        @emptywheel pics?

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      3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 23 Sep 2014
        Replying to @occbaystreet

        @occbaystreet Maybe to convict. But not to save someone's life.

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      4. scaredy-cop‏ @occbaystreet 23 Sep 2014
        Replying to @emptywheel

        @emptywheel location data? But you can get that w/o storage. iMesaage convo between kidnappers?

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      5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 23 Sep 2014
        Replying to @occbaystreet

        @occbaystreet Both available from telecoms who will hand over some of that w/o even a warrant.

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      6. scaredy-cop‏ @occbaystreet 23 Sep 2014
        Replying to @emptywheel

        @emptywheel according to Apple, not iMessages. I have reason to believe that's quite true.

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      7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 23 Sep 2014
        Replying to @occbaystreet

        @occbaystreet Oh, right. But that goes through Apple, right? They'd have it, with the same warrant requirement?

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      8. scaredy-cop‏ @occbaystreet 23 Sep 2014
        Replying to @emptywheel

        @emptywheel (security researchers say not true because Apple controls keys, but it would be major deal, not a run of mill Amber alert)

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      9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 23 Sep 2014
        Replying to @occbaystreet

        @occbaystreet Alright--that's one thing:iMessage between apple phones not using iCloud at all.

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      2. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 23 Sep 2014

        @noahmccormack Wouldn't failed calls be with the carrier?

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      4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 23 Sep 2014

        @noahmccormack I guess so. But how will that help solve the case?

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      6. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 23 Sep 2014

        @noahmccormack Right, but at that point you're still at conviction level. To get that warrant you'd have to know phone was culprit, no?

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      1. Michael McCrary‏ @Michael_CAFC 23 Sep 2014
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        @emptywheel NSA's making a list And checking it twice; NSA gonna find out Who's naughty and nice Clipper II is coming to town

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      2. Cujo359‏ @Cujo359 23 Sep 2014
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        @emptywheel Assuming kidnappers weren't really careful,it seems possible that some bit of voice or data comm could have helped ID loc. [1/]

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      3. Cujo359‏ @Cujo359 23 Sep 2014
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        @emptywheel .. Maybe they called loc "the projects"? Any genuine info is potentially useful,I'd think.[2/2]

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      1. John Jones‏ @mcddjj 23 Sep 2014
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        @emptywheel passwords can be stored locally but that is about all I can think of

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      2. Somewhat here foil hat guy‏ @truth4ever87 23 Sep 2014
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        @emptywheel Not a damn thing, I sincerely doubt anything of substance could be retrieved in a kidnapping case unless you have incriminating

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      3. Somewhat here foil hat guy‏ @truth4ever87 23 Sep 2014
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        @emptywheel and undeniable evidence that the phone in question, could solve the case.

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