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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 22 Jul 2014

      Apparently the hated neoliberal system worked to save the economy.http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2014/07/if-left-wants-scapegoats-just-look-mirror …

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    2. Steven Smith‏ @esstheman 22 Jul 2014
      Replying to @emptywheel

      @emptywheel Typically excellent piece from Drum; unfortunately, we're stuck with the Left we have, not the Left we want.

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    3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 22 Jul 2014
      Replying to @esstheman

      @sesmithesq Uh, I find it ludicrous to argue the hated neoliberal system worked. It worked to keep banks afloat, not human beings.

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    4. Steven Smith‏ @esstheman 22 Jul 2014
      Replying to @emptywheel

      @emptywheel Drum makes that point too, but argues that the system didn't change b/c most "human beings" didn't want it to.

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    5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 22 Jul 2014
      Replying to @esstheman

      @sesmithesq No. Not actually what he argued. Also made silly claims abt what Obama couldn't do. But straw men are easy to slay.

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    6. Steven Smith‏ @esstheman 22 Jul 2014
      Replying to @emptywheel

      @emptywheel To wit: "Our goal was to persuade the public to move in a liberal direction, and that didn't happen..."

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 22 Jul 2014
      Replying to @esstheman

      @sesmithesq An easy argument that ignores the Princeton report on how we don't get the leg people actually want.

      8:05 AM - 22 Jul 2014
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        2. erniesfo‏ @erniesfo 22 Jul 2014
          Replying to @emptywheel

          .@emptywheel @sesmithesq Thanks for making that simple point. Drumm also ignores work by people like Thomas Ferguson et al. How convenient .

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        3. Steven Smith‏ @esstheman 22 Jul 2014
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          @erniesfo But none of that addresses fact that no groundswell for action ever arose, or failure of Lefties to motivate electorate re action

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        4. erniesfo‏ @erniesfo 22 Jul 2014
          Replying to @esstheman

          .@sesmithesq Who do you think those “lefties” were/are in the first place? Recall resistance to TARP? Pro-Single payer? etc. cc @emptywheel

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        5. Steven Smith‏ @esstheman 22 Jul 2014
          Replying to @erniesfo

          @erniesfo As Drum points out, those issues never had much in the way of a critical groundswell backing them.

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        6. erniesfo‏ @erniesfo 22 Jul 2014
          Replying to @esstheman

          .@sesmithesq 1. There was resistance + consistent polling reflecting electorate views. MIA > responsive leadership from O. Reasons obvious.

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        7. Steven Smith‏ @esstheman 22 Jul 2014
          Replying to @erniesfo

          @erniesfo Sorry, but the resistance was either laughable (ie., Occupy) or was ineffectual at ballot box, where it counts.

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        8. erniesfo‏ @erniesfo 22 Jul 2014
          Replying to @esstheman

          @sesmithesq So laughable that an administration coordinated elements of the executive branch + state to suppress it. Sorry, yourself.

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        9. Steven Smith‏ @esstheman 23 Jul 2014
          Replying to @erniesfo

          @erniesfo "Suppressed"?? Real authentic movements don't disappear because the police clear out a city block !!

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        1. Steven Smith‏ @esstheman 22 Jul 2014
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel Doesn't ignore Princeton, just notes that it wasn't in cards to change that dynamic right now.

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