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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. Julian Sanchez‏ @normative 6 Jun 2014

      Takes chutzpah to blithely declare NSA programs "simply" constitutional even as actual experts debate @speechboy71 http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2014/06/05/why_liberals_need_to_stop_worrying_and_love_the_nsa_keith_alexander …

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    2. Michael Cohen‏ @speechboy71 6 Jun 2014
      Replying to @normative

      @normative That's actually not what I said - I disagreed with the premise of happening on a massive scale.

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    3. Julian Sanchez‏ @normative 6 Jun 2014
      Replying to @speechboy71

      @speechboy71 Well, constitutionality of 702 is hotly contested, but challenges have foundered on standing. Scale of collection quite massive

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    4. Michael Cohen‏ @speechboy71 6 Jun 2014
      Replying to @normative

      @normative Right. What I was trying to say that by the current FISA interpretation of the law it is considered constitutional

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    5. Stephen Tokarski  🍚‏ @sftokarski 6 Jun 2014
      Replying to @speechboy71

      @speechboy71 @normative Just because it has been done does not mean it is "considered constitutional" by anyone other than those doing it.

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    6. Julian Sanchez‏ @normative 6 Jun 2014
      Replying to @sftokarski

      @sftokarski @speechboy71 Well, and the FISC, who are in fact federal judges, but I don't think anyone believes that settles the matter.

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    7. Stephen Tokarski  🍚‏ @sftokarski 6 Jun 2014
      Replying to @normative

      @normative @speechboy71 I hope not. Anonymous judges appointed in secret for lifetime appointments. Hey, it's "considered constitutional."

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    8. Julian Sanchez‏ @normative 6 Jun 2014
      Replying to @sftokarski

      @sftokarski @speechboy71 Well… they’re not really anonymous & the term is seven years, not life. But they’re certainly not a normal court.

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    9. Michael Cohen‏ @speechboy71 6 Jun 2014
      Replying to @normative

      @normative @sftokarski Definitely not normal, but a creation of Congress & members are federal judges

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Jun 2014
      Replying to @speechboy71

      @speechboy71 Given that is something SHUT DOWN by Bush bc was problematic, hard to say it's clearly Constitutional. @normative @sftokarski

      1:14 PM - 6 Jun 2014
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        2. Michael Cohen‏ @speechboy71 6 Jun 2014
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel Again, I was referring to the FISC interpretation of constitutionality.

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        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 Jun 2014
          Replying to @speechboy71

          @speechboy71 Right. The FISC thing Bates said was unconstitutional (and which Freedumber would restart) and ...

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        1. Michael Cohen‏ @speechboy71 6 Jun 2014
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel But I should have been clearer in the piece that this is an issue clearly under dispute

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