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    1. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 May 2014
      Replying to @electrospaces

      @electrospaces Pretty sure we've got abundant evidence they're monitoring agents of foreign power as broadly defined.

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    2. Electrospaces‏ @electrospaces 6 May 2014
      Replying to @emptywheel

      @emptywheel well yes, but that's also possible under EO 12333

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    3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 May 2014
      Replying to @electrospaces

      @electrospaces Yes, but slides, at least, claim it involves 702. But that may be telecom (AT&T/Verizon) assistance out of US.

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    4. Electrospaces‏ @electrospaces 6 May 2014
      Replying to @emptywheel

      @emptywheel But isn't the difference between FISA and FAA that latter is just more efficient? (annual list vs individual approval)

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    5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 May 2014
      Replying to @electrospaces

      @electrospaces Right. But Q still why they'd need it if US telecoms assisted out of country, right?

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    6. Electrospaces‏ @electrospaces 6 May 2014
      Replying to @emptywheel

      @emptywheel hm couldn't it be because PRISM collection (agents using Gmail etc) is only possible under FAA?

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    7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 May 2014
      Replying to @electrospaces

      @electrospaces Unless you're stealing it overseas, you mean? But one wouldn't need BOTH a CT cert and a FG one, right?

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    8. Electrospaces‏ @electrospaces 6 May 2014
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      @emptywheel certain foreign govts are also monitored because of relationships with terrorist groups and things like that

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    9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 May 2014
      Replying to @electrospaces

      @electrospaces True. Might buy that for Venezuela or even Mexico (?). But India and Germany?

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    10. Electrospaces‏ @electrospaces 6 May 2014
      Replying to @emptywheel

      @emptywheel well, I would say India and Germany are just for classic FG intel, or is there evidence that they are under CT as well?

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 May 2014
      Replying to @electrospaces

      @electrospaces Not. But they are examples of the collection we're discussing, I think.

      12:37 PM - 6 May 2014
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        2. Electrospaces‏ @electrospaces 6 May 2014
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel we have the reconstructed NIPF which shows things about Germany where the US is interested in: http://cryptome.org/2014/04/nipf-v4.htm …

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        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 6 May 2014
          Replying to @electrospaces

          @electrospaces Cool--hadn't seen that. THo I'm sure our EU priorities changed a lot after 2008.

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        4. Paul D‏ @Paulmd199 6 May 2014
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          @emptywheel @electrospaces The line for EU is Apr 2013. It's sourced from one of the Der Spiegel articles. http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/secret-nsa-documents-show-how-the-us-spies-on-europe-and-the-un-a-918625.html …

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