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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. Bradley P. Moss‏Verified account @BradMossEsq 19 Apr 2014
      Replying to @Thomas_Drake1

      @Thomas_Drake1 @KanysLupin @MarkSZaidEsq How on earth am I defending authoritarian govt? Because I won't advocate for immunity for leakers?

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    2. Thomas Drake‏ @Thomas_Drake1 19 Apr 2014
      Replying to @BradMossEsq

      @BradMossEsq @KanysLupin @MarkSZaidEsq bcuz gov't has given immunity to those following orders & hides w/ exec priv&state secrets as defense

      2 replies 1 retweet 0 likes
    3. Bradley P. Moss‏Verified account @BradMossEsq 19 Apr 2014
      Replying to @Thomas_Drake1

      @Thomas_Drake1 @MarkSZaidEsq Yeah DOJ should prosecute officials who had written authorization from lawyers and management. Ex post facto??

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    4. bmaz‏ @bmaz 19 Apr 2014
      Replying to @BradMossEsq

      @BradMossEsq @Thomas_Drake1 @MarkSZaidEsq And the ones that should be prosecuted ARE the lawyers and senior officials who authorized.

      1 reply 3 retweets 1 like
    5. Mark S. Zaid‏Verified account @MarkSZaidEsq 19 Apr 2014
      Replying to @bmaz

      @bmaz @BradMossEsq @Thomas_Drake1 How about any lawyers facilitating unlawful leaks?

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    6. bmaz‏ @bmaz 19 Apr 2014
      Replying to @MarkSZaidEsq

      @MarkSZaidEsq @BradMossEsq @Thomas_Drake1 Sure, if you prosecute the unlawful activity they were leaking too; as opposed to only prosecuting

      2 replies 1 retweet 0 likes
    7. Mark S. Zaid‏Verified account @MarkSZaidEsq 19 Apr 2014
      Replying to @bmaz

      @bmaz @BradMossEsq @Thomas_Drake1 Did Snowden's theft of docs revealing US foreign intel activities expose unlawful conduct under US law?

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    8. Mark S. Zaid‏Verified account @MarkSZaidEsq 19 Apr 2014
      Replying to @MarkSZaidEsq

      @bmaz @BradMossEsq @Thomas_Drake1 How about answering this yes or no question Tom?

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    9. Thomas Drake‏ @Thomas_Drake1 20 Apr 2014
      Replying to @MarkSZaidEsq

      @MarkSZaidEsq @bmaz @BradMossEsq yes.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    10. Bradley P. Moss‏Verified account @BradMossEsq 20 Apr 2014
      Replying to @Thomas_Drake1

      @Thomas_Drake1 @MarkSZaidEsq @bmaz What was unlawful about the foreign intel ops? Not Sec 215 or PRISM

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 20 Apr 2014
      Replying to @BradMossEsq

      @BradMossEsq Which of course is point I keep raising. Sucking up lots of USP content overseas. @Thomas_Drake1 @MarkSZaidEsq @bmaz

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        2. Mark S. Zaid‏Verified account @MarkSZaidEsq 20 Apr 2014
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel @BradMossEsq @Thomas_Drake1 @bmaz Collecting USP overseas is not illegal depending on what they do with it

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        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 20 Apr 2014
          Replying to @MarkSZaidEsq

          @MarkSZaidEsq Again, raised issues abt FISA. FAA requires warrants for content. @BradMossEsq @Thomas_Drake1 @bmaz

          3 replies 1 retweet 3 likes
        4. Mark S. Zaid‏Verified account @MarkSZaidEsq 20 Apr 2014
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel @BradMossEsq @Thomas_Drake1 @bmaz Of course existence of issues and questions does not mean unlawful, might but might not

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        5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 20 Apr 2014
          Replying to @MarkSZaidEsq

          @MarkSZaidEsq Of course. But given that govt not even providing notice for 215, how will we figure out? @BradMossEsq @Thomas_Drake1 @bmaz

          3 replies 1 retweet 0 likes
        6. Mark S. Zaid‏Verified account @MarkSZaidEsq 20 Apr 2014
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel @BradMossEsq @Thomas_Drake1 @bmaz I'm all for asking questions and pushing issue just not willing to assume unlawfulness

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        7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 20 Apr 2014
          Replying to @MarkSZaidEsq

          @MarkSZaidEsq Also, if govt unwilling to provide FISC info requested (as w/Bates on upstream) how measure?@BradMossEsq @Thomas_Drake1 @bmaz

          1 reply 1 retweet 0 likes
        8. Mark S. Zaid‏Verified account @MarkSZaidEsq 20 Apr 2014
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel @BradMossEsq @Thomas_Drake1 @bmaz Ultimately FISC got all it wanted as far as I know

          1 reply 1 retweet 0 likes
        9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 20 Apr 2014
          Replying to @MarkSZaidEsq

          @MarkSZaidEsq False. Bates asked for # of USP SCTs, didn't get it. Reason to believe it's significant. @BradMossEsq @Thomas_Drake1 @bmaz

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        2. Bradley P. Moss‏Verified account @BradMossEsq 20 Apr 2014
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel @Thomas_Drake1 @MarkSZaidEsq @bmaz Any evidence they are currently directly targeting the USP data w/o addt'l warrant

          1 reply 1 retweet 0 likes
        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 20 Apr 2014
          Replying to @BradMossEsq

          @BradMossEsq Given that 12333 not targeted and back door searches permitted inapt question. @Thomas_Drake1 @MarkSZaidEsq @bmaz

          0 replies 1 retweet 0 likes
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        2. Bradley P. Moss‏Verified account @BradMossEsq 20 Apr 2014
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel @Thomas_Drake1 @MarkSZaidEsq @bmaz Would it be data put into the Corporate Store?

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 20 Apr 2014
          Replying to @BradMossEsq

          @BradMossEsq Corporate store is different issue. @Thomas_Drake1 @MarkSZaidEsq @bmaz

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        1. Bradley P. Moss‏Verified account @BradMossEsq 20 Apr 2014
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel @Thomas_Drake1 @MarkSZaidEsq @bmaz Are they targeting that data or is it getting collected up and sitting ignored?

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