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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 17 Apr 2014
      Replying to @MarkSZaidEsq

      @MarkSZaidEsq NSA documents submitted under sworn oath to FISC. Good enough for you? @BradMossEsq @Ali_Gharib

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    2. Mark S. Zaid‏Verified account @MarkSZaidEsq 17 Apr 2014
      Replying to @emptywheel

      @emptywheel @BradMossEsq @Ali_Gharib No, I don't know what you mean by watchlist? If FISA Ct appvd, why should NSA officials be punished?

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 17 Apr 2014
      Replying to @MarkSZaidEsq

      @MarkSZaidEsq FISC did NOT approve. FISC went batshit. So NSA simply moved it under 12333. Voila! Problem solved @BradMossEsq @Ali_Gharib

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    4. Bradley P. Moss‏Verified account @BradMossEsq 17 Apr 2014
      Replying to @emptywheel

      @emptywheel @MarkSZaidEsq @Ali_Gharib So your problem is they found another legal source of authority to use?

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    5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 17 Apr 2014
      Replying to @BradMossEsq

      @BradMossEsq Guess Q is whether FISA governs all subjects under it or not. Disagreement there. @MarkSZaidEsq @Ali_Gharib

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    6. Bradley P. Moss‏Verified account @BradMossEsq 17 Apr 2014
      Replying to @emptywheel

      @emptywheel @MarkSZaidEsq @Ali_Gharib That's a legit policy debate but not a criminal matter

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    7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 17 Apr 2014
      Replying to @BradMossEsq

      @BradMossEsq Perhaps we shall test that. If NSA now destroying evidence to hide this (as they are), who knows?@MarkSZaidEsq @Ali_Gharib

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    8. Mark S. Zaid‏Verified account @MarkSZaidEsq 17 Apr 2014
      Replying to @emptywheel

      @emptywheel @BradMossEsq @Ali_Gharib What proof of destruction exists?

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    9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 17 Apr 2014
      Replying to @MarkSZaidEsq

      @MarkSZaidEsq Sworn NSA declaration to FISC and NDCA. @BradMossEsq @Ali_Gharib

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    10. Mark S. Zaid‏Verified account @MarkSZaidEsq 17 Apr 2014
      Replying to @emptywheel

      @emptywheel @BradMossEsq @Ali_Gharib Link?

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 17 Apr 2014
      Replying to @MarkSZaidEsq

      @MarkSZaidEsq So NSA has told NDCA that it destroyed 215 data up until March 10, in spite of suits @BradMossEsq @Ali_Gharib

      6:15 PM - 17 Apr 2014
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        2. Mark S. Zaid‏Verified account @MarkSZaidEsq 17 Apr 2014
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel @BradMossEsq @Ali_Gharib What's the link for the destruction?

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        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 17 Apr 2014
          Replying to @MarkSZaidEsq

          @MarkSZaidEsq Links to several different ones here. http://www.emptywheel.net/2014/04/04/turns-out-the-nsa-may-destroy-evidence-of-crimes-before-5-years-elapse/ … @BradMossEsq @Ali_Gharib

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        4. Mark S. Zaid‏Verified account @MarkSZaidEsq 17 Apr 2014
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          @emptywheel @BradMossEsq @Ali_Gharib Damned if they do, damned if they don't. But I agree NSA should have raised issue first w/courts

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        5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 17 Apr 2014
          Replying to @MarkSZaidEsq

          @MarkSZaidEsq Yep. The worst 215 data would have aged off in February if not sooner. @BradMossEsq @Ali_Gharib

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