Curious: Who are the people who've discerned all the Russian spies (!) who are (newly!) in Ukraine? They wouldn't be ... spies, would they?
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@emptywheel If the territory US soldiers leave has free elections, even of people who hate us, that's not actually an empire.@bungdan -
@revmagdalen You are familiar w/many questions abt fairness of Iraqi elections, I hope?@bungdan -
@emptywheel Were they called for without a quorum and administered by masked, armed men, like in Crimea?@bungdan -
@revmagdalen "Masked armed men." Hmmm. Even your now retreat to cherrypicking isn't very astute.@bungdan -
@emptywheel You consider the obligation to distinguish soldiers from civilians and identify their command mere cherrypicking?@bungdan -
@revmagdalen Not at all. I consider your recitation of details to distinguish Iraq occupation fr Iraqi one to be cherry picking.@bungdan -
@emptywheel US soldiers wore uniforms, operated publicly, submitted to new Iraqi gov & annexed no land. How is it at all similar?@bungdan -
@revmagdalen I see you're VERY hung up on annexation and VERY happy to ignore covert ops. That's fine. That's your schtick.@bungdan
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@emptywheel@revmagdalen This (common) usage of "empire" does not reflect my understanding of the word. Can only talk past each other. -
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@emptywheel@bungdan Not sure how you can look at Syria, Libya, or Iraq today & see US control. Destabilization, sure. Not much "influence." -
@daralharb Oh, I think we screwed up! We're not very good at all this recently.@bungdan
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@emptywheel If our soldiers submit to the sovereign authority of the territory & its gov can order us out, that's pretty different.@bungdan -
@revmagdalen The JSOC forces we had in Iraq before we attacked submitted to Saddam's authority? CIA-trained forces in Syria do?@bungdan
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