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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. Henry Farrell‏Verified account @henryfarrell 16 Feb 2014
      Replying to @henryfarrell

      @Swopa been charged with criminal conduct, they are, under rules, fair game. So I think @emptywheel's extrapolation is perfectly fair. ...

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    2. Swopa‏ @Swopa 16 Feb 2014
      Replying to @henryfarrell

      @henryfarrell Fair to assume as a possibility? Maybe. As "almost certain"? No.

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    3. Swopa‏ @Swopa 16 Feb 2014
      Replying to @Swopa

      @henryfarrell BTW, "extrapolation is fair" concedes that no evidence was provided, just circular reasoning about NSA taking in all it can

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    4. Henry Farrell‏Verified account @henryfarrell 16 Feb 2014
      Replying to @Swopa

      @Swopa @emptywheel - when the key issues for NSA seemed to involve whether this was legal, and when one of the NSA’s public defenders ...

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    5. Henry Farrell‏Verified account @henryfarrell 16 Feb 2014
      Replying to @henryfarrell

      @Swopa @emptywheel effectively concedes that yes, it was legal, and when doc says that NSA GC provided “clear guidance” allowing ...

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    6. Henry Farrell‏Verified account @henryfarrell 16 Feb 2014
      Replying to @henryfarrell

      @Swopa @emptywheel provision of “highly useful intelligence for interested US customers,” then I think that it is honestly a bit much to...

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    7. Henry Farrell‏Verified account @henryfarrell 16 Feb 2014
      Replying to @henryfarrell

      @Swopa @emptywheel be making jeering remarks about circular reasoning. There’s a gun, a clear motive, a legal rationale for using the gun...

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    8. Henry Farrell‏Verified account @henryfarrell 16 Feb 2014
      Replying to @henryfarrell

      @Swopa @emptywheel and a bunch of “highly satisfied” NSA customers. Doubtless, there are possible states of the world in which NSA was ...

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    9. Henry Farrell‏Verified account @henryfarrell 16 Feb 2014
      Replying to @henryfarrell

      @Swopa @emptywheel too dainty and gentlemanly to take advantage. But they are not, obviously, very likely states of the world.

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    10. Swopa‏ @Swopa 16 Feb 2014
      Replying to @henryfarrell

      @henryfarrell @emptywheel This is more or less the same reasoning anti-Snowden ideologues use to say he gave secret docs to Russia/China...

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 16 Feb 2014
      Replying to @Swopa

      @Swopa It is? All it involves is what the guidance would be. We know what it would be. @henryfarrell

      2:34 PM - 16 Feb 2014
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        2. Swopa‏ @Swopa 16 Feb 2014
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel @henryfarrell You "know" it enough to say it's a possibility (even a strong one), but to assume it as fact is circular reasoning

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        3. Swopa‏ @Swopa 16 Feb 2014
          Replying to @Swopa

          @emptywheel @henryfarrell Similarly, the Russians/Chinese govts. aren't sweethearts, but wrong to assume as fact Snowden has given docs

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        4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 16 Feb 2014
          Replying to @Swopa

          @Swopa I ALSO, btw, have zero doubt Rus/China have paid others to get similar docs for them, bc security at NSA so piss poor. @henryfarrell

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        5. Henry Farrell‏Verified account @henryfarrell 16 Feb 2014
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @Swopa to amplify @emptywheel, anti-Snowdenistas explicitly assume malign motivation - that he is a “traitor” out to hurt the US.

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        6. Henry Farrell‏Verified account @henryfarrell 16 Feb 2014
          Replying to @henryfarrell

          @Swopa @emptywheel no need to make assumptions about motivations here - we know them - to keep “customers” in USG happy with relevant info.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        7. Henry Farrell‏Verified account @henryfarrell 16 Feb 2014
          Replying to @henryfarrell

          @Swopa @emptywheel Oh dear. Oh dear. Oh dear. The point @emptywheel has made is that _this does not flout_ legal guidelines.

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        8. Henry Farrell‏Verified account @henryfarrell 16 Feb 2014
          Replying to @henryfarrell

          @Swopa @emptywheel As notorious NSA-hater Ben Wittes notes, guidelines allow them to do this. There is _no disagreement_ on this ...

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        9. Henry Farrell‏Verified account @henryfarrell 16 Feb 2014
          Replying to @henryfarrell

          @Swopa @emptywheel between people who like or dislike NSA. I explicitly do not think that the NSA is full of malign people ...

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