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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 16 Feb 2014
      Replying to @BradMossEsq

      @BradMossEsq The article shows that minimization procedures don't prevent spying. Duh. @bmaz @OrinKerr

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    2. Bradley P. Moss‏Verified account @BradMossEsq 16 Feb 2014
      Replying to @emptywheel

      @emptywheel @bmaz Am I missing something? The article does not assert that NSA spied. It received intel from Australians.

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    3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 16 Feb 2014
      Replying to @BradMossEsq

      @BradMossEsq "Received intel" does not equate to spying? @bmaz

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    4. Bradley P. Moss‏Verified account @BradMossEsq 16 Feb 2014
      Replying to @emptywheel

      @emptywheel @bmaz Depends on whether you see a distinction in "collection" vs. use of intel.

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    5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 16 Feb 2014
      Replying to @BradMossEsq

      @BradMossEsq Again, the NSA EXPLICITLY allows the use of intel except when collected post-indictment. @bmaz

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    6. Bradley P. Moss‏Verified account @BradMossEsq 16 Feb 2014
      Replying to @emptywheel

      @emptywheel @bmaz Subject to minimization (or does that not apply to corporate store?)

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    7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 16 Feb 2014
      Replying to @BradMossEsq

      @BradMossEsq Subject to minimization. How hard is it for prosecutor to guess who "USP lawyer" sub is when he's gotten legal notice? @bmaz

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    8. Bradley P. Moss‏Verified account @BradMossEsq 16 Feb 2014
      Replying to @emptywheel

      @emptywheel @bmaz Restrictions in article mention info can't be shared with prosecutors. And pre-indictment use subject to challenge.

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    9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 16 Feb 2014
      Replying to @BradMossEsq

      @BradMossEsq Post-indictment can't be shared w/prosecutor. Pre-indictment can be. They took 6 mos to indict Medunjanin. 42 convos @bmaz

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    10. Bradley P. Moss‏Verified account @BradMossEsq 16 Feb 2014
      Replying to @emptywheel

      @emptywheel @bmaz Any restriction on ability to challenge admissibility of that info I'm not thinking of?

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 16 Feb 2014
      Replying to @BradMossEsq

      @BradMossEsq You're assuming they'll get notice to it. Wondering whether we'll hear from Pete Seda case on notice. http://www.emptywheel.net/2009/06/04/vaughn-walkers-chess-game-the-cases/ …

      12:58 PM - 16 Feb 2014
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        2. Bradley P. Moss‏Verified account @BradMossEsq 16 Feb 2014
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel Under updated notice rules I would expect it. That is something I view as non-negotiable.

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        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 16 Feb 2014
          Replying to @BradMossEsq

          @BradMossEsq They only get notice on stuff introduced. That's why I raise Seda. Surely fruit of illegal surveil, never able to challenge

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        4. Bradley P. Moss‏Verified account @BradMossEsq 16 Feb 2014
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel Pending motions on it already?

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