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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. Benjamin Wittes‏Verified account @benjaminwittes 13 Sep 2013
      Replying to @mattapuzzo

      @mattapuzzo I agree that opinions change--and rightly so sometimes--but they generally should not change because they become public.

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    2. Ben Wizner‏Verified account @benwizner 13 Sep 2013
      Replying to @benjaminwittes

      @benjaminwittes @mattapuzzo It seems to me, Ben, that you do what you accuse others of doing: reach firm conclusions without full facts.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    3. Benjamin Wittes‏Verified account @benjaminwittes 13 Sep 2013
      Replying to @benwizner

      @benwizner When I speculate, I label it as such, as I have done clearly here. To the extent my speculation is wrong, my conclusions not firm

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    4. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 13 Sep 2013
      Replying to @benjaminwittes

      @benjaminwittes Are you saying that your claim Congress was "pretending" not to know abt dragnet was speculation? @benwizner

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    5. Benjamin Wittes‏Verified account @benjaminwittes 13 Sep 2013
      Replying to @emptywheel

      @emptywheel anyone in Congress who didn't know about 702 and 215 didn't want to know.

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    6. Caspar Bowden‏ @CasparBowden 16 Sep 2013
      Replying to @benjaminwittes

      @benjaminwittes when did (1) all of Congress and (2) Intel Cttees first see targ & minim procedures for 702? @emptywheel

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    7. Benjamin Wittes‏Verified account @benjaminwittes 16 Sep 2013
      Replying to @CasparBowden

      @CasparBowden See http://www.lawfareblog.com/2013/08/the-nsa-documents-part-v-the-communications-with-congress/ … for a summary of the interactions with Congress over 702.

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    8. Caspar Bowden‏ @CasparBowden 16 Sep 2013
      Replying to @benjaminwittes

      thanks @benjaminwittes hadn't seen and that was declassf Aug 21 with that batch? @emptywheel notice "dual-routed" ? https://www.aclu.org/files/assets/ltr_to_hpsci_chairman_rogers_and_ranking_member_ruppersberger_scan.pdf …

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    9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 16 Sep 2013
      Replying to @CasparBowden

      @CasparBowden Are you asking whether Rogers did what he has admitted he did w/215 stuff and not pass it on? I don't know. @benjaminwittes

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    10. Caspar Bowden‏ @CasparBowden 16 Sep 2013
      Replying to @emptywheel

      yeah it was minor snark ;-) @emptywheel the whole reading-room thing too Douglas Adams beware of the leopard @benjaminwittes

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 16 Sep 2013
      Replying to @CasparBowden

      @CasparBowden Also note that doc makes no notice of searching on incidental collection, which was new for NSA that year. @benjaminwittes

      5:53 PM - 16 Sep 2013
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        2. Caspar Bowden‏ @CasparBowden 16 Sep 2013
          Replying to @emptywheel

          bet that's in redacted ? @emptywheel @benjaminwittes

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        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 16 Sep 2013
          Replying to @CasparBowden

          @CasparBowden Also, Wyden letters to Alexander fr fall 2012 seem to suggest it wasn't briefed to non JC/IC MoCs. @benjaminwittes

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        4. Caspar Bowden‏ @CasparBowden 16 Sep 2013
          Replying to @emptywheel

          Yes @emptywheel wondering, how's Obama with tech? lawyer technophobe or can he get tech stuff? (what/when did he know etc.) @benjaminwittes

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        5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 16 Sep 2013
          Replying to @CasparBowden

          @CasparBowden He must get tech. That's what his campaign org is.Of course, that prolly means he thinks data solves all. @benjaminwittes

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