@emptywheel I don't think it's plausible that you need a global surveillance structure for defence against cybercrme.
@Dymaxion Read your Medium piece--really though-provoking. In you mind, who protects against cyber bad guys?
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@Dymaxion Tell that to Keith Alexander! If not, though, is "defense" still the right word? -
@emptywheel I'd be delighted to. I'm confused though - are you asking if I think it's still defense without global surveillance? -
@Dymaxion "Defense" implies a certain kind of antagonism. 2 distinct sides. Wondering if another word would lead to better way of thinking. -
@emptywheel But it doesn't follow remotely that antagonism in infrastructure *requires* global surveillance; only the modern state does that -
@Dymaxion You don't think corporations don't require "intelligence"? -
@emptywheel Of course they do -- I'd guess they do almost as much intelligence work as states do. Less visible, though. -
@Dymaxion Partly less visible. Partly FAR MORE visible, and consent-driven. - 14 more replies
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@emptywheel But as to whether it's the state or something else that *should* be doing that, well, that depends on your theory of power. -
@Dymaxion You're proposing a new one, no? In your theory, who does it? -
@emptywheel I didn't propose anything in that essay, just called out a problem in the current civil society response to surveillance. -
@Dymaxion What did you endorse with this, then? "I support this whole-heartedly." -
@emptywheel Starting the process of renegotiating power. Just because I support renegotiation doesn't mean I've got all the answers. -
@Dymaxion Gotcha. Thanks.
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@emptywheel Now, those structures may need to act online (& given the shameful state of our infrastructure, there is real cause for concern)Thanks. Twitter will use this to make your timeline better. UndoUndo
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@emptywheel First, there aren't really any. There are bad guys, but no one lives in cyberspace. We have traditional protective structures.Thanks. Twitter will use this to make your timeline better. UndoUndo
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