@normative So you think they had to suck it all up w/ net metadata, not with telephony? And hence collection more of an issue? @jenvalentino
-
-
Replying to @RachelBLevinson
@RachelBLevinson@jenvalentino So as soon as they're going beyond demanding existing biz records, it's either a pen reg or full elsur2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes -
Replying to @normative
@normative@RachelBLevinson Yes right I think. And since they went with PR/TT order later, one can assume they determined it was a PR/TT.2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes -
Replying to @jenvalentino
@jenvalentino Note that this was in 2004, so before Section 215 began being used for phone metadata.@normative6 replies 0 retweets 0 likes -
Replying to @RachelBLevinson
@RachelBLevinson@jenvalentino …in order to filter it out. Probably seemed a bridge too far. Wouldn't have to do that with phone traffic.3 replies 0 retweets 0 likes -
Replying to @normative
@normative Oh, I see; you're saying they were in fact getting WHOLE stream - content and all - in order to get at metadata.@jenvalentino4 replies 0 retweets 0 likes -
Replying to @RachelBLevinson
@RachelBLevinson@normative If they DID have a problem with whole-stream sifting, they wouldn't have then allowed it under a PR/TT either.4 replies 0 retweets 0 likes -
Replying to @jenvalentino
@jenvalentino@RachelBLevinson So it (at least arguably) tacitly presupposes PR/TT may need to operate by whole stream filter.5 replies 0 retweets 0 likes -
Replying to @normative
@normative@RachelBLevinson "And that’s true even if the President has entered some kind of order, say, under the AUMF, authorizing it"2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes -
Replying to @jenvalentino
@jenvalentino Which lends credence to Comey's objection not being a principled one, but rather a narrow legal one.@normative@emptywheel3 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
@RachelBLevinson Absolutely. But remember we only know ONE of TWO modifications to the program in that period. @jenvalentino @normative
Loading seems to be taking a while.
Twitter may be over capacity or experiencing a momentary hiccup. Try again or visit Twitter Status for more information.