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    emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 17 Jun 2013

    I'd really love to see some lessons learned on Libya. You know. Before we repeat same mistakes in Syria and worse?

    7:28 PM - 17 Jun 2013
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      2. Dana Houle‏ @DanaHoule 17 Jun 2013
        Replying to @emptywheel

        @emptywheel Libya actually met defined measure for success. But Syria a completely different situation & impossible to envision success

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      3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 17 Jun 2013
        Replying to @DanaHoule

        @DanaHoule Agree Syria impossible. But are you suggesting problem w/Libya was in definition of success? Cause it's not serving our interests

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      4. Dana Houle‏ @DanaHoule 17 Jun 2013
        Replying to @emptywheel

        @emptywheel ...& we didn't have to take the lead. Aftermath not as chaotic as might have been. It's largely met our measures of success.

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      5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 17 Jun 2013
        Replying to @DanaHoule

        @DanaHoule And has that measure of success advanced US interests?

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      6. Dana Houle‏ @DanaHoule 17 Jun 2013
        Replying to @emptywheel

        @emptywheel compared to standing by if MG committed atrocities & Egypt & Tunisia absorb couple million refugees, yes.

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      2. Joan Walsh‏Verified account @joanwalsh 17 Jun 2013
        Replying to @emptywheel

        That's why the Benghazi story is poison. There's a debate to be had about what we're doing there and what happened that night @emptywheel

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      3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 17 Jun 2013
        Replying to @joanwalsh

        @joanwalsh Maybe that's why? There's a significant overlap bt Syria hawk and Benghazi truthers.

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      4. Joan Walsh‏Verified account @joanwalsh 17 Jun 2013
        Replying to @emptywheel

        @emptywheel I think that's a lot of it. The people hitting the WH the hardest on Benghazi don't want the truth to come out about the CIA etc

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      5. BlueRootsRadio‏ @BlueRootsRadio 17 Jun 2013
        Replying to @joanwalsh

        @joanwalsh @emptywheel Follow the money, follow the facts, don't follow the diversion.

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      2. sharon lynch‏ @sharon_lynch 17 Jun 2013
        Replying to @emptywheel

        @emptywheel Marcy, the situation in libya is so tenuous. There is no excuse for how poorly the US has managed it's part.

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      3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 17 Jun 2013
        Replying to @sharon_lynch

        @sharon_lynch Agree. But if we can't do that thing no one wants to call nation-building, what will happen in Syria?

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      4. sharon lynch‏ @sharon_lynch 17 Jun 2013
        Replying to @emptywheel

        @emptywheel it is is fubar imo. many libyans are opposed to arming syria. they see has happened to their country & they understand the risk.

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      5. EatingMyPeaz‏ @EatingMyPeaz 17 Jun 2013
        Replying to @sharon_lynch

        @sharon_lynch The regime is already armed and shells across the country daily (cc @emptywheel) http://www.lccsyria.org/11542  http://www.hrw.org/news/2013/04/26/syria-new-air-missile-strikes-kill-civilians …

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      1. bmaz‏ @bmaz 17 Jun 2013
        Replying to @emptywheel

        @emptywheel Hey, I got one: Don't violate the War Powers Act and blow up separation of powers.

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      1. Jon Hartmann‏ @jonhartmannjazz 17 Jun 2013
        Replying to @emptywheel

        @emptywheel @joanwalsh if you're curious to know the next direction of GOP foreign policy, just ask EXXON what they need

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      1. Indochineang‏ @indochineang 18 Jun 2013
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        "@emptywheel: I'd really love to see some lessons learned on Libya. You know. Before we repeat same mistakes in Syria and worse?"

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      1. Demotarian‏ @demotarian 18 Jun 2013
        Replying to @emptywheel

        @emptywheel @joanwalsh Syria is going to happen. Obama saw the even in Putins eyes. Proxy War time.

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      1. Ian Welsh‏ @iwelsh 17 Jun 2013
        Replying to @emptywheel

        @emptywheel Libya wasn't half as stupid as Syria, you might even justify it pragmatically. Assad ain't Qaddaffi

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      1. Ghee Buttersnaps‏ @RobertTheRed12 17 Jun 2013
        Replying to @emptywheel

        @emptywheel Why bother?

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      1. willy bach‏ @willybach2011 17 Jun 2013
        Replying to @emptywheel

        @emptywheel @joanwalsh Lessons learned on Libya were how to get away w/ covert warfare & deny it all, pretending to bring democracy to ME.

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