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Abundant tweets about civil liberties & national security. "Has a longer memory than an elephant & keeps more records than Jim Comey.” Legendary potty mouth.

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    1. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 17 Jun 2013

      Does anybody have some coping mechanisms for tomorrow's HPSCI hearing, which is sure to be a shitshow, but which I have to watch?

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    2. Sam Cutler‏ @youbsanctioned 17 Jun 2013
      Replying to @emptywheel

      @emptywheel I have to watch the ridiculousness that is all congressional sanctions hearings - sorry nothing helps

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    3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 17 Jun 2013
      Replying to @youbsanctioned

      @youbsanctioned Btw: I've been canvassing people. Do you know of anyone (aside fr that one Saudi guy) able to challenge terror designation?

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    4. Sam Cutler‏ @youbsanctioned 17 Jun 2013
      Replying to @emptywheel

      @emptywheel You mean besides the MeK?

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      emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 17 Jun 2013
      Replying to @youbsanctioned

      @youbsanctioned Part of my point is that NSA & FBI are exposed to at least SOME review by courts. Not so those data crunchers who designate

      6:08 PM - 17 Jun 2013
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        2. Sam Cutler‏ @youbsanctioned 17 Jun 2013
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel you can also file claims under the Administrative Procedures Act, but lets just say the deck is stacked against you.

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        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 17 Jun 2013
          Replying to @youbsanctioned

          @youbsanctioned That's what ACLU trying to challenge no fly under. Sort of big problem, no? This no-review designation? (But you knew that)

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        4. Sam Cutler‏ @youbsanctioned 17 Jun 2013
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel Then again, I don't agree with the European model where classified info needs to be provided to designee.

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        5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 17 Jun 2013
          Replying to @youbsanctioned

          @youbsanctioned What would be the appropriate method?

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        6. Sam Cutler‏ @youbsanctioned 17 Jun 2013
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel along with certain standards about whats provided to defendant. No more having to appeal FOIA decisions to find out the stuff

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        7. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 17 Jun 2013
          Replying to @youbsanctioned

          @youbsanctioned Sounds like a good start. Do you think there's a fair standard used for designations? No-fly and terror at times bogus.

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        8. Sam Cutler‏ @youbsanctioned 17 Jun 2013
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel For the most part yes, though its hard to tell when all you have to go on is an OFAC press release and some open source.

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        9. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 17 Jun 2013
          Replying to @youbsanctioned

          @youbsanctioned So it's like Gitmo lawyers pre-habeas? That standard of evidence?

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        2. Sam Cutler‏ @youbsanctioned 17 Jun 2013
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel not entirely true though @FerrariLegal would give you a more complete answer than me.

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        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 17 Jun 2013
          Replying to @youbsanctioned

          @youbsanctioned So the data crunchers' work can get reviewed by a court? That's good--in what situations? @FerrariLegal

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        4. Sam Cutler‏ @youbsanctioned 17 Jun 2013
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel "arbitrary and capricious" @FerrariLegal

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        5. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 17 Jun 2013
          Replying to @youbsanctioned

          @youbsanctioned & that's true across OFAC designations? Any idea whether OFAC using different kinds of intel for, say, Cuba? @FerrariLegal

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        6. Sam Cutler‏ @youbsanctioned 17 Jun 2013
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel intel is intel, they use what they have. There's no limit as to what can be used for designation. @FerrariLegal

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        2. Sam Cutler‏ @youbsanctioned 17 Jun 2013
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel at least when it comes to OFAC designations, the is the administrative reconsideration process which has no court involvement

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        3. emptywheel‏ @emptywheel 17 Jun 2013
          Replying to @youbsanctioned

          @youbsanctioned And there's an Admin reconsideration for DHS, too, right?

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        4. Sam Cutler‏ @youbsanctioned 17 Jun 2013
          Replying to @emptywheel

          @emptywheel Unfortunately I'm not familiar with DHS procedure.

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